for Carl - NC , gold gun AL 707 or 718

[aft_72005]

Hi Carl - NC

Are you have report about gold gun AL707 or 718 ?

[Carl-NC]

I own a Gold Gun AL718. Couldn't get much out of it, and I've never heard of anyone else who has had success with one. Still, I'd like to get mine into an area where there's more natural gold, and see what it does. Based on what I know of Accurate Locators, I don't expect much of it.

- Carl

[aft_72005]

Hi Carl -N.C.

please upload here some picture from in side it

can you provide report seem as your other articles ?

i am interested that Gold Gun AL718 circuit how it work.

is it tuned low frequency receiver ?

thanks for all the trouble you have taken in the matter.

[jassim]

i'dont have manual the gold gun al707 or foctionne send me manual

[jassim]

my email is isslam428@yahoo.fr thx for help me

[med]

I own a Gold Gun AL718. Couldn't get much out of it, and I've never heard of anyone else who has had success with one. Still, I'd like to get mine into an area where there's more natural gold, and see what it does. Based on what I know of Accurate Locators, I don't expect much of it.

- Carl

i'dont have manual the gold gun al707 or foctionne send me manual

[med]

:) Hi Carl -N.C.

please upload here some picture from in side it

can you provide report seem as your other articles ?

i am interested that Gold Gun AL718 circuit how it work.

is it tuned low frequency receiver ?

thanks for all the trouble you have taken in the matter.

[Carl-NC]

Yeah, I need to dig this thing out and see what it does. Med, I'll try to get a photocopy of the manual made. You could probably get the correct (707) manual from Accurate Locators.

- Carl

[med]

Yeah, I need to dig this thing out and see what it does. Med, I'll try to get a photocopy of the manual made. You could probably get the correct (707) manual from Accurate Locators.

- Carl
thanks carl i am realy need your help so please send me the photocopy of manual

[vcrb]

Carl seems reluctant to say anything about Accurate Locators & even OKM ? Both outfits sell LRLs and questionable equipment. He even allows MINEORO dealers to endorse their products all over his forums. Not one single report on any of these three manufactures and Carl admits he has these locators ? Perhaps Mr. Carl Moreland is being paid by these manufactures? Always have wondered about his agenda???

vcrb

[med]

thanks carl i am realy need your help so please send me the photocopy of manual
hello carl iam still waiting the manual of gold gun al 718 please send me it thank you

[Jonas]

Gold Gun AL718

[aft_72005]

Hi Carl :)
Please upload some picture form inside of gold gun AL718 .
Best regards . :)

[Carl-NC]

The internal circuitry is coated with white paint, so there is nothing to see.

[FC247]

Are there any parts recognizable inside?

[Carl-NC]

Don't remember, I'll pull it back out and take some pics.

[Tim Williams]

I'll open the gold gun I have and see if it has white paint. If not I will post some pictures. I don't remember if it has paint inside or not.

Tim

[Seden]

Tim,

What has been your experience with the Gold Gun?

Randy

[aft_72005]

Hi to all
Tim Williams , I am waiting see more about gold gun.
Carl, thank you.
Any body know about electronic section of gold gun?
Is it ion detector? Or is it long wave receiver ?

[Tim Williams]

Guys I will look at it today. It appears to be in the AM range. I will post some pictures also. The only responce I ever saw was North south line detection. If I turned the unit pointing either to the north or south I get a drop in digital value. Someone sent it to me to play with. He just purchased a mineoro unit. I will have it soon to play with and test.

Tim

[Tim Williams]

Ok I looked at the unit I have here and the model is the 718. The board did not have paint on it so I made a schematic on the board. I need to check it again. I did not get to open the antenna yet. I will out today but will post tonight. I will tell you this. There are 2 jfets, HA17324 and filters. Not much more than that.

Tim

[Tim Williams]

Here is the pictures and schematic. Carl let me know if your is different.

http://lrlman.com/GG.zip

Tim

[Seden]

Tim,

Thank you for going to the trouble in what you produced. Very interesting. Makes me wonder if their detecting the VLF Radio Stations carriers. With enough limiting you can really dig carriers out of the noise with a good filter on the output to clean up the harmonics. I've had real good luck using them on my loop antennas for the 160-190 KC license free band.

Do you have an inductance meter so the resonant frequency can be found out? This is the key obviously to seeing what the designer had in mind,but I'm betting on VLF beacons like the WADI receivers.

What say ye Carl?

Randy

[FC247]

thank you for the pictures and circuit description Tim Williams. Very good information.

[aft_72005]

Hi Tim Williams :)
Ok, thank you. it is very good reverse engineering also you working fast.
Please upload more pictures , specially from coil section .
Are you test it in real ? can you find gold and silver with it?
How much coil inductance ?
Best regards . :)

[FC247]

This can really find gold? Did you test?

[Geo]

Hi Tim:) . Very good work. Gongratulation.
As i see in the photo of GG S1 must be with 3 positions (on-off-on) -(T..B..L-D), but at the schematic is 2 position (on-on). Who is the right?
Any info about coil ???
Thanks
Best Regards:)

[Tim Williams]

It is 3 position switch. I will open the coil up soon.

Tim

[Carl-NC]

My GG looks exactly like Tim's, same PCB & components. However, mine is still covered in white gunk. May take me some time to get it cleaned out.

My recollection on some info I read some time in the way past is that the Gold Gun used ELF currents generated from the old submarine comms program. When that was shut down some years ago, Accurate Locators added a transmitter to the Gold Gun, and called it the "DLS." You can see one on eBay, right now, right here (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330161872050).

Thanks for the schematic, Tim.

- Carl

[Seden]

Carl,

I once had a paper from a Geophysical publication that talked about using 60 hz for exploration away from surburban areas. Couldn't we use the european 50 hertz in the USA,should have no problem picking up the signal I would think with all the hundreds of miles of powerlines over there and many megawatts.

Randy

[Tim Williams]

I will update the schematic tonight with the coil info. They had a 1/2"x14" ferrite rod with a coil wound in the center. The coil had a tap on it that went to ground shown on the schematic. I have the values and will post tonight.

Tim

[Tim Williams]

Ok I updated the zip file with the information on the coil and picture. It did not survive the disassembling of the pvc! No lost.

Tim

[Qiaozhi]

Ok I updated the zip file with the information on the coil and picture. It did not survive the disassembling of the pvc! No lost.

Tim
I think you forgot to attach the file.

[Tim Williams]

No it's in the post I made before. But I will add it here.

http://lrlman.com/GG.zip

Tim

[Seden]

Tim,

That's interesting that they had the dipole crosswise to the direction where you would think the rod was pointing to. I would of made it so the direction of reception would of been straight ahead. I guess I'm thinking like an Amatuer Radio guy instead of an LRL MFR.

Well that settles that mystery and too bad the Navy disabled the ELF transmitters.

Randy

[Tim Williams]

The signal that was needed to use the gun is no longer being transmitted as I understand it. Because of that reason a ELF transmitter was sold. I'm not saying the gold gun never worked.
The unit was sent to me from a friend and asked me to see what was inside. The files show what was inside. I saw the gold gun used in Mexico with bad results. I'm not for or against the gold gun. Just thought after all this time some would like to see what made it tick.

Tim

[Jonas]

next variant

[J_Player]

I saw the gold gun used in Mexico with bad results.Hi LRLMAN,

When you were in Mexico, did you see any other LRLs with good results?

J_P

[Tim Williams]

The Gold gun was the only unit they had there. That trip turned out to be a mess! It was the first and last time for me. We were followed and recorded from a ways off. Pictures were taken of us. The reason I know this is a fellow LRL manufacturer told me he saw pictures and heard recording of us talking. It's a long story!

Tim

[Seden]

Jonas,

That's just what I suggested regarding the use of VLF Navy stations. Thank you for posting the schematic.

Randy

[aft_72005]

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Hi Jonas :)
Thank you for circuit . are you have success in practice ?
did you be able find gold with it ?
regards. :)

[Max]

Hi,
nice schematic... but how can this "thing" find e.g. gold ???

For me it can't does that.

What I understand of this circuit is that there are two opposite wounds on ferrite rods... like one would see e..g. in a gradiometer but with magnetic hi-perm. core, then a "filter" or "decoupler", then amplifier, then another decoupler and another amplifier !

Does it find gold ?

For me if another "version" of "anomaly detector": this is magnetic , where zahori is electrostatic.

That's so, zahori react to E-field and E-compoent of EM radiations, this react to local B spot variations or B-component of EM radiations.

If you use it near a power line you'll see the ufo ! :lol: Like with zahori.

You probably have to use it from E-W direction cause N-S movements will pick variation of coupled Earth magnetic field.

Unit is probably subject to ULF/ELF (if present) detection... e.g. low frequency modulation of 50/60Hz , ULF due to navy subarine comm. emissions, ULF due to atmosperics phenomenon etc etc etc

But then ? Is it an advantage for you ? Don't understand. :rolleyes:

Any big spot variation of Earth magnetic field will be detected by movements of rods axis near the hi-gradient area, but can you pinpoint anything that way ?

How can it just pick few pT variations due to gold and not nT ones due to e.g. big iron stuff in ground ?

For me cannot find gold, just gold or precious metals, but will find any power line, any railway emission, any huge scrap of iron, any lightening etc etc

Nice schematic, yes, have a differential fet configuration, hi-impedance...
but for me is just another zahori that serve nothing. :lol:

Best regards,
Max

[unknown]

hi mr.Carl-NC
please if you have A pictures for gold gun AL718 send to me i have one but maybe my device is missed some parts
thanks:D
my english is so bad:frown:

[digital logic]

THE LRLMAN GIVED THIS:
http://lrlman.com/GG.zip

If you still have problem write and i'll post here other photos.

[Qiaozhi]

THE LRLMAN GIVED THIS:
http://lrlman.com/GG.zip

If you still have problem write and i'll post here other photos.
There's also this schematic.

[unknown]

please you can give me more pics for gold gun AL718

[unknown]

no buddy can translation user manual for gold gun al718 to arabic
please help me....

[roberts]

Eh...this schematic tell us only that GG has pretty similar phylosophy to Zahori, "RObertoro" etc.etc. almost every other similar device i saw.
What we have here? Pretty simple, direct receiver...and nothing else.
Coils are defining some "band" to be received. At output there should be present som mum,hum,"schhhhh..weeeouu,weeooou..." and nothing usefull.
If man put VU at the out...scale will turn respectfully to its sensitivity...
Further some improvements can be done to it in same manner ivconic did with Zahori - much better audio. Mothing else.
But what is the point? Modded or not it is unusefull both ways.
You can only receive mums and hums and nothing else. Unless somebody give some proofs that Gold (or any other metal) is producing simillar hums and mums. Even than...:razz:

[superfreq]

Hallo to everyone! I have some questions on this machine!:rolleyes:
First of all, does anyone know for sure if the 2 coils are opposite wounded or same direction?
And second, i wonder if it's easy for someone to explain me about the "Null Line" between a target and the gun. What's this exactly? I mean what explains this phenomenon?
Best regards

[g-sani]

I have exactly the same questions as superfreq.
Waiting for answers as well.

[Geo]

I have exactly the same questions as superfreq.
Waiting for answers as well.

Γιωργο επειδη ειναι πηνια μονο δεκτη δεν υπαρχει λογος να ειναι αντεστραμενα. Περαν τουτου ομως εαν αποφασισεις να το κατασκευασεις το να γυρισεις τα ακρα ενος τυλιγματος αντιθετα δεν ειναι τιποτα.
Κρινοντας απο τα γραφομενα στην κατευθυνση του στοχου αντι να εχουμε ενα ισχυρο σημα εχουμε αδυνατισμα η και μηδενισμο του σηματος. Αυτο εννοει σαν "Null".
Φιλικα........:)

[Fred]

Hi Geo,
So it could be the same in PD ferrite circuit, so they said gap is critical.
After all it´s just like the gold gun...?
regards,
Fred.

[Geo]

Hi Geo,
So it could be the same in PD ferrite circuit, so they said gap is critical.
After all it´s just like the gold gun...?
regards,
Fred.

Hi Fred:)

Don't worry. The Time will show:)
regards:)

[hillman]

Hi Fred:)

Don't worry. The Time will show:)
regards:)
hi Geo
you had said that 2 LRL instruments realy works, can you tell us which one?:help:

[g-sani]

Thank you Geo I am going to experiment doing it.After all it doesn't look expensive.

[superfreq]

Good morning to all of you!:)
Mr Tim Williams, i would like to ask you again about the coil antenna of the GG. Is it possible 4u to say if the coils are opposite wounded? As you understand it's very crucial for the circuit explanation.
Thanks in advance;)

[yanis]

You are wrong about Carl, He is the real Mcoy, no one can put him in their pocket.

[g-sani]

No one said diferent I suppose.The thing is that everybody is looking for that small thing that will give us the hind in a new world of treasure hunting.
My self just thought that it might be here in a simple machine as gold gun is.

[Geo]

No one said diferent I suppose.The thing is that everybody is looking for that small thing that will give us the hind in a new world of treasure hunting.
My self just thought that it might be here in a simple machine as gold gun is.

Γιωργο οπως βλεπεις κανεις δεν ασχολειται σοβαρα με αυτο το μηχανακι. Τι θελεις και επιμενεις????? Παρακολουθα τον Guard και τον Jeg και εαν κανουν κατι τοτε προσπαθησε. Αλλιως μην σπαταλας τον χρονο σου. Ειναι πολυτιμος
:)

[g-sani]

Γραφονται πολλα στα ελληνικα φορουμ τελευταια και επειδη το κοστος ειναι χαμηλο ειπα ας το δουμε και αυτο.Αυτος ειναι ο λογος φιλε Geo.Αληθεια εκανες τιποτε με το ικονος;
Υ.Γ.Ελπιζω Γιωργο να μην παρεξηγουνται οι αλλοι που γραφουμε στα ελληνικα εδω μεσα.

[Geo]

Γραφονται πολλα στα ελληνικα φορουμ τελευταια και επειδη το κοστος ειναι χαμηλο ειπα ας το δουμε και αυτο.Αυτος ειναι ο λογος φιλε Geo.Αληθεια εκανες τιποτε με το ικονος;
Υ.Γ.Ελπιζω Γιωργο να μην παρεξηγουνται οι αλλοι που γραφουμε στα ελληνικα εδω μεσα.

Hi.
Sorry for Greek but i must tell something about a Greek Forum and it is a little difficult to me with my bad English:(
Αφορμη ψαχνουν να μου τα χωσουν τελευταια.
Πιθανον την Κυριακη να βγω εξω για ενα τσεκαρισμα του Iconos. Εαν γινει θα δημοσιοποιηθει σιγουρα και στο Geotech και στο Coinsmania.
Ο ντορος που γινεται γυρω απο το γκολντ Γκαν ειναι μονομερης εαν προσεξες.... η τουλαχιστον καπως ετσι.
Οι φερριτες εχουν καποια μυστικα αλλα περαν τουτου ολο το κυκλωμα ειναι ενας δεκτης πολυ χαμηλων συχνοτητων και τιποτα αλλο. Αυτος ειναι ο λογος που ειμαι αρνητικος μαζι του.
Αυτα... Τα λεμε:)

[g-sani]

Thank you Geo for your reply.Wish you all the luck while treasure hunting.
We are looking forward for your results testing such LRL's.
I think your help will be valueable to everybody.

[Geo]

Thanks g-sani
My regards:)

[goldmaniac]

Hi.
Sorry for Greek but i must tell something about a Greek Forum and it is a little difficult to me with my bad English:(
Αφορμη ψαχνουν να μου τα χωσουν τελευταια.
Πιθανον την Κυριακη να βγω εξω για ενα τσεκαρισμα του Iconos. Εαν γινει θα δημοσιοποιηθει σιγουρα και στο Geotech και στο Coinsmania.
Ο ντορος που γινεται γυρω απο το γκολντ Γκαν ειναι μονομερης εαν προσεξες.... η τουλαχιστον καπως ετσι.
Οι φερριτες εχουν καποια μυστικα αλλα περαν τουτου ολο το κυκλωμα ειναι ενας δεκτης πολυ χαμηλων συχνοτητων και τιποτα αλλο. Αυτος ειναι ο λογος που ειμαι αρνητικος μαζι του.
Αυτα... Τα λεμε:)

να σας τα χωσουν να ησυχασετε πριβε το κανατε λαμογια:razz::razz:

[Geo]

να σας τα χωσουν να ησυχασετε πριβε το κανατε λαμογια:razz::razz:

Sorry a friend from Greece:)
Xaxaxaxaxα ολα τα ειχαμε εσυ μας ελειπες:lol:
Εφτασε και εδω η χαρη σου???? Καιρος να αλλαζουμε site????:razz::lol::razz::lol:
Bye:)

[Tim Williams]

Hurry before it's too late.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Accurate-Locator-Mark-II-Find-Treasure-Faster-Whites_W0QQitemZ290210512180QQihZ019QQcategoryZ149 55QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Tim

[Geo]

A friend is interesting
Thanks Tim:)

[g-sani]

Ohh my God goldmaniac you are unbelievable!
Did you use your "L rods" to find us over here?
You better use them to find some gold my friend instead of messing around.
Hahahahahaahaaaaa!!!!!!!

[Geo]

Ohh my God goldmaniac you are unbelievable!
Did you use your "L rods" to find us over here?
You better use them to find some gold my friend instead of messing around.
Hahahahahaahaaaaa!!!!!!!

Where is goldmaniac ?????

[Geo]

Hurry before it's too late.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Accurate-Locator-Mark-II-Find-Treasure-Faster-Whites_W0QQitemZ290210512180QQihZ019QQcategoryZ149 55QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Tim

Hi Tim:)
Do you know who is the difference between AL707 and AL718
Regards:)

[Tim Williams]

No I don't. Understand I could not get the gold gun I had to work. But that may be because the signal was not being transmitted. This unit has a transmitter. I can't say if it will work or not. I just wanted to let everyone know there was one on ebay.

regards,

Tim

[g-sani]

One main difference that I know for sure is that ferites are longer on the 718 model.You electronics must know the difference that this thing makes.