Utility Locators

[audigger53]

Rick : Bear with me. Carl knows of me and more or less how I hunt for treasure. It didn't make much sense to me to spend lots of money for single coins and sometimes rings. I started T'Hunting in 1982 with my brother as a partner. At that time we were close enough to get to gether and close enough to Arizona, where we do the majority of our hunting. We started looking and still do, for two hundred year old mines. Thanks to the Jesuits. I am one of those fools that believe in MFD's. I have not been able to disprove the one I am using yet. Either I will disprove it, as Carl and Sam would probibly enjoy or I will use it to become pleasently well off. I still believe that research is the key to sucessfully running down the old stories and tales. We have eliminated a couple that way. Dead ends, for one reason or another. Regards Marc

>ah-now this dialog is that which attracted me to

>this forum---the tech forum-----and also to erics

>forum as well (this particularly, as with pi--little

>discrimination--still wracking my brains though)

>reg-rick

[rick]

hi-

you caught me before go back to sleep.

if you trace back-me was quiet--until.

me call you or other no fool.simply ask

question/state position....and jest a little...

got mad too at times..

length,width,height---the first three dimentions.

the fourth is time....

another dimention can not be stated unless it takes

not from the others..that is without time-length,

width,height can not exist....

the fifth dimention is (for lack of better words)

the "abstact"----this is where perception,emotion,

and the like reside..

remembering my first co2 laser (homemade) as well

as many other---at the verge of success---before

concious realization of success---there was in the

pit of my stomach a kind of tickle---like butterfly..

my mind turning on my sences to 110%---this is my

best estimate of that you guys experience....since

no one can tell me...

if somes claim is to unravel the issues--to realize

a technical advance in md---then they must surcome

to an awareness they have not yet achieved..

in order to articulate that they know from a rudimintary level..to be able to explain to the

technical man so as to perpetuate their goal of....

here come the white coats again---me go sleep now

>Rick : Bear with me. Carl knows of me and more or less how I hunt for treasure. It didn't make much sense to me to spend lots of money for single coins and sometimes rings. I started T'Hunting in 1982 with my brother as a partner. At that time we were close enough to get to gether and close enough to Arizona, where we do the majority of our hunting. We started looking and still do, for two hundred year old mines. Thanks to the Jesuits. I am one of those fools that believe in MFD's. I have not been able to disprove the one I am using yet. Either I will disprove it, as Carl and Sam would probibly enjoy or I will use it to become pleasently well off. I still believe that research is the key to sucessfully running down the old stories and tales. We have eliminated a couple that way. Dead ends, for one reason or another. Regards Marc

>>ah-now this dialog is that which attracted me to

>>this forum---the tech forum-----and also to erics

>>forum as well (this particularly, as with pi--little

>>discrimination--still wracking my brains though)

>>reg-rick

[audigger53]

Hi : A long time ago, a man I knew had a MD that he wore the coil from a belt around the waist. It had all the controls in a set of handles. He swore that it would find a twenty dollar gold piece at three feet! He used it for find nuggets in New Mexico. He loaned it to a friend who took it into Mexico, where it was stolen. I talked with him in 1982 and it had been lost for at least ten years before. The dish was three feet across and contained three different coils. That's what he told me. At that time he had money. $2 mill in the banko de Juarez. Then the paso was devalued, he ended up with about 50K U.S. dollars worth of pasos. He couldn't remember where he had bought it. Severe trama can cause memory lost. He had a welding accident and lost his left thumb. 7 years later found out he had a bank account with $17K in it, that he had totally forgot about. MDs on the market now still can not do that, but his did, it was customed nade in the early 70's for about 3 grand. My brother mentioned who it was, one time and I forgot it because he had died. Would love to have one to see what he had designed. Regards Marc

>hi-

>you caught me before go back to sleep.

>if you trace back-me was quiet--until.

>me call you or other no fool.simply ask

>question/state position....and jest a little...

>got mad too at times..

>length,width,height---the first three dimentions.

>the fourth is time....

>another dimention can not be stated unless it takes

>not from the others..that is without time-length,

>width,height can not exist....

>the fifth dimention is (for lack of better words)

>the "abstact"----this is where perception,emotion,

>and the like reside..

>remembering my first co2 laser (homemade) as well

>as many other---at the verge of success---before

>concious realization of success---there was in the

>pit of my stomach a kind of tickle---like butterfly..

>my mind turning on my sences to 110%---this is my

>best estimate of that you guys experience....since

>no one can tell me...

>if somes claim is to unravel the issues--to realize

>a technical advance in md---then they must surcome

>to an awareness they have not yet achieved..

>in order to articulate that they know from a rudimintary level..to be able to explain to the

>technical man so as to perpetuate their goal of....

>

>here come the white coats again---me go sleep now

>>Rick : Bear with me. Carl knows of me and more or less how I hunt for treasure. It didn't make much sense to me to spend lots of money for single coins and sometimes rings. I started T'Hunting in 1982 with my brother as a partner. At that time we were close enough to get to gether and close enough to Arizona, where we do the majority of our hunting. We started looking and still do, for two hundred year old mines. Thanks to the Jesuits. I am one of those fools that believe in MFD's. I have not been able to disprove the one I am using yet. Either I will disprove it, as Carl and Sam would probibly enjoy or I will use it to become pleasently well off. I still believe that research is the key to sucessfully running down the old stories and tales. We have eliminated a couple that way. Dead ends, for one reason or another. Regards Marc

>>>ah-now this dialog is that which attracted me to

>>>this forum---the tech forum-----and also to erics

>>>forum as well (this particularly, as with pi--little

>>>discrimination--still wracking my brains though)

>>>reg-rick

[Carl]

>I notice that very few knowledgeable profession people in the sea and the land respond to forums. I wonder why? It is a great way to learn and to share.

Maybe not the forums, but the newsgroups are crawling with professionals.

[audigger53]

Thanks, Carl. I know patents are expensive. I thought copyright was like $10.00. How does one go about copywriting their items? Regards Marc

>>Carl : Begins to make one wonder why they, manufactures/vendors, don't at least copywrite the name and drawings of their units? After all copywrite does not laspe quickly like a pattent does. Unless I am wrong patents become open after 7 years, while copyrights are almost forever, also much cheaper, last I looked $10..00. Regards Marc And thanks for answering in the contsct it was meant.

>Actually, copyrights are essentially free. All you have to do is put a standard copyright notice on something and it's legal. A few of the pages I have online are copyrighted, not out of vanity but because I want to retain the legal rights to my efforts.

>Patents last 20 years, but they are fairly expensive to get and you have to pay maintenance fees to keep them enforcable. There are two types of patents: technical and design (ornamental). Design patents are for look-and-feel, not operation. There are several design patents on dowsing rods which means you cannot make another one to look like them. To my knowledge only one LRL has been issued a technical patent.

>- Carl

[Michael R. Hall]

At 03:24 PM 03/13/2001 -0600, Tom Alvarez wrote:


--------------


> Someday we may need to license "Well Finders", but for now to find lost


wells our inspectors use mostly >utility locators and backhoes.


Tom,


Are those "utility locators" the old magnetic needle types used to find


service boxes? I recently did some work for a company here in Ohio (Aqua


Locator in Cedarville) that has made the old style locators for over 30


years. While admittedly not in the class of a modern magnetometer, it is


nevertheless a beautiful instrument. I also have, on loan from a local city


utility department, a pair of really old units. My local public library


produced a Smithsonian Catalog of Geomagnetic Instruments which illustrates


the older units as being early 1900's vintage. The catalog contained some


fascinating background information on the Earth's magnetic field and early


research into it's nature. The photos and descriptions of the old


instruments was very interesting, most of them being painstakingly hand-built.


As a sailor, I was already obsessed with compasses and navigation, but the


work for Aqua Locator opened up a new world for me. I had no idea it was so


damned complicated!


Mike Hall


Wright State University


Dayton, OH

[Tom Alvarez]

We use the Schonstedt locators. Are you familiar with them?


>>> michael.hall@wright.edu 03/15/01 09:41AM >>>


At 03:24 PM 03/13/2001 -0600, Tom Alvarez wrote:


--------------


> Someday we may need to license "Well Finders", but for now to find lost


wells our inspectors use mostly >utility locators and backhoes.


Tom,


Are those "utility locators" the old magnetic needle types used to find


service boxes? I recently did some work for a company here in Ohio (Aqua


Locator in Cedarville) that has made the old style locators for over 30


years. While admittedly not in the class of a modern magnetometer, it is


nevertheless a beautiful instrument. I also have, on loan from a local city


utility department, a pair of really old units. My local public library


produced a Smithsonian Catalog of Geomagnetic Instruments which illustrates


the older units as being early 1900's vintage. The catalog contained some


fascinating background information on the Earth's magnetic field and early


research into it's nature. The photos and descriptions of the old


instruments was very interesting, most of them being painstakingly hand-built.


As a sailor, I was already obsessed with compasses and navigation, but the


work for Aqua Locator opened up a new world for me. I had no idea it was so


damned complicated!


Mike Hall


Wright State University


Dayton, OH


__________________________________________________ ____________________

[Tom Alvarez]

we use the schonstedt magnetic locators but we are looking for some other types.


>>> michael.hall@wright.edu 03/15/01 09:41AM >>>


At 03:24 PM 03/13/2001 -0600, Tom Alvarez wrote:


--------------


> Someday we may need to license "Well Finders", but for now to find lost


wells our inspectors use mostly >utility locators and backhoes.


Tom,


Are those "utility locators" the old magnetic needle types used to find


service boxes? I recently did some work for a company here in Ohio (Aqua


Locator in Cedarville) that has made the old style locators for over 30


years. While admittedly not in the class of a modern magnetometer, it is


nevertheless a beautiful instrument. I also have, on loan from a local city


utility department, a pair of really old units. My local public library


produced a Smithsonian Catalog of Geomagnetic Instruments which illustrates


the older units as being early 1900's vintage. The catalog contained some


fascinating background information on the Earth's magnetic field and early


research into it's nature. The photos and descriptions of the old


instruments was very interesting, most of them being painstakingly hand-built.


As a sailor, I was already obsessed with compasses and navigation, but the


work for Aqua Locator opened up a new world for me. I had no idea it was so


damned complicated!


Mike Hall


Wright State University


Dayton, OH


__________________________________________________ ____________________

[KHe1144783@aol.com]

In a message dated 3/15/01 11:43:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,


Tom.Alvarez@state.mn.us writes:


>


Try ebay: They are selling a Proton mag again like the one I bought 10 days


ago. Kris

[Roger Dewhurst]

----- Original Message -----


From:


To:


Sent: Friday, 16 March 2001 9:13


Subject: Re: Utility Locators


> In a message dated 3/15/01 11:43:27 AM Pacific Standard Time,


> Tom.Alvarez@state.mn.us writes:


>


> we use the schonstedt magnetic locators but we are looking for some other


> types.


> >>


> Try ebay: They are selling a Proton mag again like the one I bought 10


days


> ago. Kris


I have done a search using Ebay and proton. Nothing came up. Can you add a


little detail please.


R


>


>


> __________________________________________________ ____________________

[KHe1144783@aol.com]

In a message dated 3/15/01 3:34:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,


dewhurst@wave.co.nz writes:


>


Sure, type in: Proton Magnetometer. You will get two Mags for sale. Im just


getting the hang of mine now but all is well. Cant understand what causes the


field number to drop when I approach Iron objects but they said it might be


because its in front of me instead of below the coil. Minimum bid will


probably be $ 800.00 like it was for mine but its a good unit with 1 Gamma


sensitivity, filters and even headphones thrown in. Kris Henkel, Palm Springs


Ca.

[Helena Lanham-Black]

Hi: Glad to hear you're getting the hang of the mag (we were selling the


Geometrics mag on ebay you expressed interest in). The dropping numbers are


a null that is illustrated very well in the "Application Manual for Proton


Mags' by Scheldon(sic) Brinner? and I saaw in the Proton Mag Forum archives


that it can be accesed via the www.geometrics.com web page as a jpeg?


format. We've used the null with all the mags we had(4?) to pinpoint a wreck


as far as where to drop the anchor becuase with the inclination of the


magnetic field here in Northern California it places the main ferrous object


below the boat(we only do shipwrecks so can't help you on land) and


presently have had good luck with a Aquascan 25(2 gamma) from Karl


Fredericks in south Florida. I see he now carries an affordable unit at


$3500 that I'd reconmend, try www.geocities.com/~magman123/index.html. Good


luck Bob


----- Original Message -----


From:


To:


Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 4:19 PM


Subject: Re: Utility Locators


> In a message dated 3/15/01 3:34:30 PM Pacific Standard Time,


> dewhurst@wave.co.nz writes:


>


> a


> little detail please.


> >>


> Sure, type in: Proton Magnetometer. You will get two Mags for sale. Im


just


> getting the hang of mine now but all is well. Cant understand what causes


the


> field number to drop when I approach Iron objects but they said it might


be


> because its in front of me instead of below the coil. Minimum bid will


> probably be $ 800.00 like it was for mine but its a good unit with 1 Gamma


> sensitivity, filters and even headphones thrown in. Kris Henkel, Palm


Springs


> Ca.


>


>


> __________________________________________________ ____________________

[KHe1144783@aol.com]

Bob: Thanks for the info. I just so happened to Call Geometrics this morning


and ordered that pamphlet and am looking forward to understanding "Null".


Does it only happen in California ? The Quantros owner couldnt understand why


it was doing it ! Maybe has somthing to do with Florida/California


diferance's. Just glad its not screwed up. Looking for Kevlar tube to lighten


it up right now. Twenty-one Lbs is a bit heavy even with a 10 Amp battery.


Later, Kris

[Helena Lanham-Black]

Hi: Checked with my brother and he remembers the same thing in Panama about


the null (actual negative gamma number compared to the total field you're


in) being the area that we always zero in on as far as dropping the anchor


on shipwrecks. I kinda wonder about them guys at Quantro as they were


unknowledgeable about areas that have naturally occuring magnetic


outcroppings(usually volcanic outcroppings like hot areas on our coast like


Pt. Sur and areas in Alaska we've shipwreck searched in). Also there


knowledge of mag use in deepwater wreck searches was nonexistant. Also


wanted to note that we've placed a ad on eBay (1223182130) for a Schonstedt


Model #GA-52B Magnetometer for $300 min. bid. It's the same unit available


at www.geocities.com/~magman123/index.html as the Aqua-Mag. The manufacturer


at www.schonstedt.com has the same model as the GA-52Cx for $815.


----- Original Message -----


From:


To:


Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 7:54 PM


Subject: Re: Utility Locators


>


> Bob: Thanks for the info. I just so happened to Call Geometrics this


morning


> and ordered that pamphlet and am looking forward to understanding "Null".


> Does it only happen in California ? The Quantros owner couldnt understand


why


> it was doing it ! Maybe has somthing to do with Florida/California


> diferance's. Just glad its not screwed up. Looking for Kevlar tube to


lighten


> it up right now. Twenty-one Lbs is a bit heavy even with a 10 Amp battery.


> Later, Kris


>


>


> __________________________________________________ ____________________

[charlie warburton]

does anyone know where I can get one of the old-style locators-magnetic


needle type.this is a great forum. Thank you for any information,


----- Original Message -----


From: Michael R. Hall


To: The Proton Mag Forum


Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 7:41 AM


Subject: Utility Locators


> At 03:24 PM 03/13/2001 -0600, Tom Alvarez wrote:


> --------------


>


> > Someday we may need to license "Well Finders", but for now to find lost


> wells our inspectors use mostly >utility locators and backhoes.


>


> Tom,


> Are those "utility locators" the old magnetic needle types used to find


> service boxes? I recently did some work for a company here in Ohio (Aqua


> Locator in Cedarville) that has made the old style locators for over 30


> years. While admittedly not in the class of a modern magnetometer, it is


> nevertheless a beautiful instrument. I also have, on loan from a local


city


> utility department, a pair of really old units. My local public library


> produced a Smithsonian Catalog of Geomagnetic Instruments which


illustrates


> the older units as being early 1900's vintage. The catalog contained some


> fascinating background information on the Earth's magnetic field and early


> research into it's nature. The photos and descriptions of the old


> instruments was very interesting, most of them being painstakingly


hand-built.


>


> As a sailor, I was already obsessed with compasses and navigation, but the


> work for Aqua Locator opened up a new world for me. I had no idea it was


so


> damned complicated!


>


> Mike Hall


> Wright State University


> Dayton, OH


>


>


> __________________________________________________ ____________________

[Tom Alvarez]

Are you looking for old style stuff, cheap stuff or something that can help you


with a geophysical problem? There have been several magnetometers on auction


in ebay this month old & low cost.


>>> jessicadaniell@uswest.net 03/26/01 10:25PM >>>


The Proton Mag Forum


does anyone know where I can get one of the old-style locators-magnetic


needle type.this is a great forum. Thank you for any information,


----- Original Message -----


From: Michael R. Hall


To: The Proton Mag Forum


Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 7:41 AM


Subject: Utility Locators


> At 03:24 PM 03/13/2001 -0600, Tom Alvarez wrote:


> --------------


>


> > Someday we may need to license "Well Finders", but for now to find lost


> wells our inspectors use mostly >utility locators and backhoes.


>


> Tom,


> Are those "utility locators" the old magnetic needle types used to find


> service boxes? I recently did some work for a company here in Ohio (Aqua


> Locator in Cedarville) that has made the old style locators for over 30


> years. While admittedly not in the class of a modern magnetometer, it is


> nevertheless a beautiful instrument. I also have, on loan from a local


city


> utility department, a pair of really old units. My local public library


> produced a Smithsonian Catalog of Geomagnetic Instruments which


illustrates


> the older units as being early 1900's vintage. The catalog contained some


> fascinating background information on the Earth's magnetic field and early


> research into it's nature. The photos and descriptions of the old


> instruments was very interesting, most of them being painstakingly


hand-built.


>


> As a sailor, I was already obsessed with compasses and navigation, but the


> work for Aqua Locator opened up a new world for me. I had no idea it was


so


> damned complicated!


>


> Mike Hall


> Wright State University


> Dayton, OH


>


>


> __________________________________________________ ____________________