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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2006, 04:37:56 pm »
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This is my version of a Double Blind test. I use halves of 6 Plastic Easter eggs and a coin. I give my wife the coin and she goes out the back door and I stay inside while she places the coin under one of the egg halves. She then goes around the house and knocks on the front door. I go out, not having any contact with her. I start Locating thinking of anything else except for the Rods. Sometimes it is what I'm going to do tomorrow or a movie I saw the night before. I locate the coin, go in the house and give it to the wife and start over again. I make 10 to 15 passes and then take a break. My results are all ways the same. I find the coin every time.

When I do the test and I think about finding the coin my results are different. The best was 60% finds but the usual is between 30% and 50% finds. I have done this test more than 20 times.

Why do I do these test? To see if I am still doing it right. I refuse to let the Ideomotor Effects control my rods UNLESS I want it to. When I test in my backyard I know that some mystery signal from a SUV will not block my signals. ..Art


With a success rate of 100%, tell us again why you couldn't pass the Carl Moreland test, and take his $25,000?

And, don't tell me he's a cheat, or would have hidden magnets or worse yet, think bad thoughts.

BTW, in a "real" double-blind test, there is always a "plain-sight" run both before and after the blind run.  This completely eliminates the possibility of hidden objects causing you a problem.


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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2006, 05:27:54 pm »
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BTW, in a "real" double-blind test, there is always a "plain-sight" run both before and after the blind run. This completely eliminates the possibility of hidden objects causing you a problem.
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I don't know about Randi's test and I'm not going to pay him $6 dollars to find out.  You have also replaced Carl's name with the word REAL...Art

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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2006, 06:55:24 pm »
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I appreciate Art's test which is a practical example of a test that most treasure hunters would accept as valid for their purposes.  If someone passed Carl's double blind test the skeptics would find fault with that somehow to prove that it is impossible  to find things with a long range location method.  I am more interested in finding positive results rather than finding fault to prove some sort of negative.
   I remember when Jungle Jim performed a perfect score on a double blind test in front of several people at a LRL gathering on the California dest.  Carl, who wasn't even there, was determined to find fault.  Who cares, JJ passed the test with flying colors and the people, actually there, knew it.  
    Keep up the good work ART!

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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2006, 07:40:24 pm »
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I was at a demonstration a few weeks ago that was set-up for Carl. Carl couldn't make it. There were 3 skeptics there. They were rude and disrupting everything. Some guy who had traveled from No. Dakota went to their table and explained the facts of live to them. When the double blind test was set-up the operator could not locate anything. They reset the LRL and he still couldn't locate anything.

I took a set of rods and could find no signal from the LRL. I was still looking around and found a signal coming from the wrong direction. I followed it toward the parking lot and the 3 skeptics were behind a SUV with the back hatch open. Thats where the signal was headed. I went back to the group of people who were all confused. I then departed as I had another appointment to keep.

Later I was thinking about this and started to wonder why I only had one signal. The next Sat. I went back to the park. There was 11 signals in the area and the big signal was gone. Was someone jamming the rods? I know what I think but can't prove it. The only thing I can say is that the LRL failed the test. I hate to be put in this position because I own one of this guys units and it works...Art

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« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2006, 02:35:11 am »
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I was at a demonstration a few weeks ago that was set-up for Carl. Carl couldn't make it. There were 3 skeptics there. They were rude and disrupting everything. Some guy who had traveled from No. Dakota went to their table and explained the facts of live to them. When the double blind test was set-up the operator could not locate anything. They reset the LRL and he still couldn't locate anything.

I took a set of rods and could find no signal from the LRL. I was still looking around and found a signal coming from the wrong direction. I followed it toward the parking lot and the 3 skeptics were behind a SUV with the back hatch open. Thats where the signal was headed. I went back to the group of people who were all confused. I then departed as I had another appointment to keep.

Later I was thinking about this and started to wonder why I only had one signal. The next Sat. I went back to the park. There was 11 signals in the area and the big signal was gone. Was someone jamming the rods? I know what I think but can't prove it. The only thing I can say is that the LRL failed the test. I hate to be put in this position because I own one of this guys units and it works...Art


Wow!   Shocked

Definitely, there was some kind of hanky panky conspiracy going on and those 3 skeptics had something to do with it.  I'll bet they had some sort of a big electromagnet in the back of that SUV.  Or, maybe a high-powered transmitter of some kind.  Obviously, that's why the LRLs flunked the test.

I guess that guy from N. Dakota certainly showed them a thing or two, when he explained the facts of "live" to them.   Grin




Well, Art, that proves it.  These tests that are setup by Carl are definitely rigged --without a doubt.   :Smiley

You know, I'll bet Carl has been reading this thread, and just maybe he will stop by and tell us what those guys were doing in the back of that SUV.   Wink

Hey, I just happened to think of something.  Maybe those guys were enjoying some donuts and coffee.  

Will the signal that comes from a glazed donut or a cup of black coffee keep an LRL from working?  I think we better look into this in some detail.  You might just have discovered the reason for lots of other LRL errors.   :Smiley

Grin   Grin   Grin   Grin


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« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2006, 07:56:09 am »
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Chis...Again you play follow the leader. I can keep my L-Rods from closing with a bar magnet. I can keep my Rods from closing with a non electronic 250 ohm Potentiometer. Can someone with knowledge of electronic keep the rods from working? Yes. This was my first encounter with the skeptics and they did not impress me. Every time someone talks about LRL's on the internet the thread is disrupted by the skeptics. Post above our answers are changed to make our answers look bad. They change their names more often than some people change their underwear. Some use re-mailers to hide who they are. Why should I trust any skeptic to be an honest person? My name is Art Flowers...aarthrj is the name that AOL gave me and I live in No. California

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« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2006, 08:29:47 am »
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Chis...Again you play follow the leader.....

Can someone with knowledge of electronic keep the rods from working? Yes.....

This was my first encounter with the skeptics and they did not impress me....


Play follow the leader?  Huh?  You lost me on that one...

I have a knowledge of electronics, so I understand basic electronic concepts and terminology.  Would you be so kind as to explain to me (using electronic terms) the basic mechanisms employed that would stop L-rods from functioning?

Your first encounter with skeptics did not impress you?  What were you expecting?  Perhaps the feeling was mutual.   Wink


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« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2006, 12:11:34 pm »
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I know nothing about electronics. All I could do is guess. It could be as simple as producing a signal stronger than the law allows LRL's to broadcast. I work with L-Rods 4 or 5 times a week. When the rods tell me that a signal is strange I have leaned to trust them. They are just some dumb brass rods that don't talk to me...Art

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I know nothing about electronics. All I could do is guess. It could be as simple as producing a signal stronger than the law allows LRL's to broadcast. I work with L-Rods 4 or 5 times a week. When the rods tell me that a signal is strange I have leaned to trust them. They are just some dumb brass rods that don't talk to me...Art


If you don't know anything about electronics, how can you be sure that someone with a knowledge of electronics could jam your L-rod?

Produce a signal stronger than the law allows an LRL to broadcast?  

Art, I don't know how to break this to you, but LRLs don't transmit a signal.  For instance, have you ever seen the schematic of an Electroscope?  It CAN'T transmit a signal because there is no transmit function in the unit.  The antennas are connected to the output of an adjustable voltage divider network.  A voltage divider does not, and cannot broadcast anything.  The same is true for the Jim Thomas built contraptions.  Nothing is being broadcast because the circuitry in this unit is NOT a transmitter.

When your rods tell you that a signal is strange, it really isn't a signal from anything that is influencing your rods.  It is nothing more than your ideomotor effect, which occurs as a result of what you believe in your head about what is going on around you.

Now, I understand you don't believe that reasoning, but if you don't know anything about electronics, I fail to understand how you can even use the terminology from electronics ---since it is a field you have absolutely no understanding.   Huh?



Everytime I read one of your postings, I'm reminded of the following..... The common man speaks, the wise listens and the fool argues.

...or consider this...

"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."




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Produce a signal stronger than the law allows an LRL to broadcast?
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Sorry Charlie...Wrong again...Could you please tell me what the two LRL's you talk about have to do with L-Rods.

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