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« on: July 16, 2006, 10:31:19 am »
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We are often exposed to a myriad of claims, specifications and technical terms when reviewing LRL advertising. Some of the writing is readily understandable, while much of it contains technical terms, some borrowed from other sciences, perhaps to lend credibility where little or none exists. As the novice or prospective buyer reads this information, how many actually know what it means. Further, how many will actually inquire as to the validity and application of these terms, or their definitions? Probably, not very many.

Here is an example of a wild claim, which is totally unsupported by anything that resembles real physics.

"The only instruments on the market that fully discriminate are the H.I.D. (Harmonic induction discrimination) These transmit and receive three (3) timed, synchronized signals that respond to the electron, neutron, and atomic weight of the element. All other instruments on the market respond to the electron only."



Here we have a claim combined with various terms to describe the instrumentation. First, the claim is that it is the ONLY instrument on the market that can fully discriminate. Discrimination, in this context, probably means to accurately discern certain aspects of the target as a result of the applied signal. Since this instrument is claimed to be the only one on the market that will achieve these particular results, no doubt the manufacturer has comparative test data which would substantiate such a claim, and it could readily be produced for anyone?s review.  Go ahead, produce the data.

The device itself is described as Harmonic Induction Discrimination, where three timed and synchronized signals are transmitted, and subsequently received, in order to carry out the process of accurate discrimination. One signal is directed specifically to the electron, one to the neutron, and one somehow is gathering information about the atomic weight of the target. Harmonics have to do with an integral multiple of a fundamental frequency. Induction, in this context, probably means the process of inducing an electromagnetic wave or current into bodies (targets) at a distance from the transmitter.

Again, as was mentioned above, this device is intended to? induce or apply voltage to specific atomic subdivisions of the sought after targets, by means of an electromagnetic wave propagated at a certain harmonic frequency of oscillation. Further, it is capable of achieving this induction of specific particles over a distance, supposedly of several feet or yards (maybe even miles). Secondly, it apparently is then receiving three separate pieces of information which are coming back from the target (electron, neutron, and atomic weight) and affording us accurate discrimination information , and ultimately directional information as well.

As in the aforementioned claim above, one is reminded of the constraints of basic wave propagation, and the known attenuation which naturally occurs as you increase the distance between the transmitter and the sub-atomic structures to be energized. Then, we must consider how much power you would have to be generating at the transmitter, in order to properly excite these sub-atomic particles. Not only do we need to consider the amount of attenuation from the transmitter to the target, but in this case, the signal must also make the return trip, and again would be attenuated to even a greater degree.

Certainly the test data that must have been taken to substantiate such an instrument would be most interesting to review.   Let's see the data.



(the bulk of this information first appeared on another forum but it is still pertinent, and is reproduced here with full permission of the author)

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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2006, 09:13:10 am »
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Very well writen article, thank You!  Bil Pierce

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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2006, 11:45:57 am »
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Dell said; "By scientific default, MFD Black Box technologies are proven to be operating within Laws of Physics."

Sorry... But No They Are Not!  Sad

If they were, you or some of your cohorts would have offered up some evidence or data, a long time ago, to prove your claim.  

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