[x] Welcome at THunting.com!

A fun place to talk about Metal Detecting, Treasure Hunting & Prospecting. Here you can share finds and experience with thousands of members from all over the world

Join us and Register Now - Its FREE & EASY

THunting.com
Treasure Hunting & Metal Detecting Community
   
Advanced Search
*
Welcome, Guest! Please login or register HERE - It is FREE and easy.
Only registered users can post and view images on our message boards.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with email, password and session length
Or Login Using Social Network Account
News:
Pages:  1 2   Go Down
Print
Share this topic on FacebookShare this topic on Del.icio.usShare this topic on DiggShare this topic on RedditShare this topic on Twitter
Tags:
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
Offline seldomTopic starter
Wrecking Crew
Moderator
Platin Member
*****

Wrecking Crew
Join Date: Jan, 2009
Thank you19

Activity
0%
Male
United States
Posts: 7361
Referrals: 0

20755.00 Gold
View Inventory

Awards
« on: June 01, 2010, 09:39:08 pm »
Go Up Go Down

Bottles

There are four important characteristics for dating bottles:

-Mold Seams
-Finish Types
-Closures
-Glass Color

Because bottle-making technology changed over time, it is often possible to determine roughly when a bottle was made by looking at one (or more) of these attributes.  Of course, any labels or embossed lettering are potentially helpful, as well.
Mold Seams
Before the modern bottle-making machine, bottles were blown ? first free-blown, and then in various kinds of molds.  The different molds left tell-tale seams where the pieces of the mold came together.
Free-blown (no mold)
 No mold seams
 Asymmetrical and non-uniform
 Up to about the 1860s in the archaeological record

Simple Two-piece mold (?Hinged mold?)
 Mold seam extends from just below finish, down the neck and side, across the bottom, and up the other side
Symmetrical, uniform shapes
 May have embossed lettering on body, especially after 1869
 Ca. 1810-1880

"Cup" mold

 Mold seam on each side that extends from just below the finish down to the edge ("heel") of the base
 Most-common technology in the late 19th and early 20th centuries (ca. 1850s-1920s) 

Post mold

 Bottle made in a three-piece mold with separate base plate
 Side seam continues onto base, then is interrupted by the circular (sometimes oval) post
 Dominant mold type used between about 1870 and 1900
  1840s?early 1900s (sometimes later)

Ricketts mold

  No mold seams on body; horizontal seam around circumference where body joins shoulder, and vertical seam part-way up each shoulder
  Often used for liquor and pharmaceutical bottles
  1820s?1920s

Turn mold

  Bottle turned while in mold, obliterating seams
  Often used for wine/champagne and brandy bottles (usually dark green)
  No embossed lettering; glass highly polished from turning in mold
  Ca.1870?World War I

Automatic bottle machine

 Bottles made by machine, rather than blown
 Seams run all the way up the bottle and over the finish
 Made in large numbers beginning after World War I (though the first machine was invented in the 1890s)

Linkback:

You are not allowed to view links.
Please Register or Login

http://www.thunting.com/smf/index.php/topic,15211.msg97508.html#msg97508




Logged

If you believe everything you read you are reading to much.
Treasure is a Harsh  Mistress

Offline Cyberborikua
Silver Member
*

Join Date: Jul, 2010
Thank you0

Activity
0%
Male
United States
Posts: 1098
Referrals: 0

5220.00 Gold
View Inventory

Awards

BH Tracker IV, BH Pioneer 505, Minelab Safari, Minelab E-Trac, Hybrid Cobra Beach Magnet, Tesoro Sand Shark
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2010, 09:15:45 pm »
Go Up Go Down

Seldom, I have some questions. I have about 5 shopping bags full with different soda bottles among other containers like jars, milk bottles, and a few whiskey bottles. They are all from the 50s and probably 60s. Some have embossed labeling (ex. Coca-Cola, Lincoln, Bireleys), while others were ink printed, but the printing is either partially gone or not existent. Many are handsome looking bottles with unique designs from bottling companies in Chicago, all of which have dissapeared. Even the Coca-Cola ones were from Chicago. Most of them are dirty/stained and must be cleaned. Do bottles lose value for not having the labeling? What is the best way to clean them without spending hundreds of $ in expensive cleaning machines? and Where is the best place to sell them: ebay, antique shows, garage sale, directly to antique stores? It's amazing how I came across with these bottles, but I'll reveal it soon in another post.

Linkback:

You are not allowed to view links.
Please Register or Login

http://www.thunting.com/smf/index.php/topic,15211.msg119715.html#msg119715




« Last Edit: October 10, 2010, 09:18:38 pm by Cyberborikua »
Logged
Offline seldomTopic starter
Wrecking Crew
Moderator
Platin Member
*****

Wrecking Crew
Join Date: Jan, 2009
Thank you19

Activity
0%
Male
United States
Posts: 7361
Referrals: 0

20755.00 Gold
View Inventory

Awards
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2010, 09:33:29 pm »
Go Up Go Down

Yeah sorry they lose value with out the painted label. If you have a large number your best bet is to sale to one of the antique shops, there are several on Westheimer that use to sale a lot of bottles. Just wash off the dirt and leave them to sun dry to much cleaning is bad. The bottle market is way down right now so you will not get a very big offer. I got 300 or more in the warehouse that I want take to the shop because all I will get is 1 or 2 bucks each hopefully the market will bounce back soon.

Linkback:

You are not allowed to view links.
Please Register or Login

http://www.thunting.com/smf/index.php/topic,15211.msg119717.html#msg119717




Logged

If you believe everything you read you are reading to much.
Treasure is a Harsh  Mistress

Offline charlotte49er
Owner - Gold Rush Guys
Copper Member
*

Gold Rush Guys
Owner - Gold Rush Guys
Join Date: Nov, 2010
Thank you0

Activity
0%
Male
United States
Posts: 64
Referrals: 0

500.00 Gold
View Inventory

WWW Awards

XP DEUS, DetectorPro Pirate Pro & Wader, Falcon MD20, Nugget Snoop, Garrett Coin Hunter w/Groundhog Coil, Ground EFX MX 200 digital GPS metal detector, Bounty Hunter Discriminator 840
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2011, 09:49:07 pm »
Go Up Go Down

Need identification help.

I have never seen a Pepsi bottle like this before. I'm guessing 6oz bottle, round bottom and the P & C of the "Pepsi Cola" are linked in script form.  Bottles i Charlotte, NC only markings on the bottom, wwich is concave, are the number "176".  I do see a seem running up the sides from the bottom up to the neck.  Glass has lost of elongated "bubbles" in it.

No lable is present, but it could have worn off.   I thought Pepsi didn't like 6oz bottles, they sold in 10oz bottles for the same price of a Coke 6oz.  



{alt}

{alt}

I kind of stumbled into bottle collecting last week, so I am VERY raw when it comes to any kind of bottle.  I got about 300 bottles from a friend of mine Grandmother.  90% of them are from the early 50's to the mid-80's. 



Linkback:

You are not allowed to view links.
Please Register or Login

http://www.thunting.com/smf/index.php/topic,15211.msg188395.html#msg188395
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb351/everythingelse2/100_0426.jpg
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb351/everythingelse2/100_0427.jpg
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb351/everythingelse2/100_0428.jpg




« Last Edit: July 27, 2011, 09:55:57 pm by charlotte49er »
Logged

Gold Rush Guys - Gold Prospecting Supplies and Metal Detectors

You are not allowed to view links.
Please Register or Login

{alt}

Carolina Dealers for XP DEUS, DetectorPro Metal Detectors and Headphones and Gold Prospecting Supplies


Offline seldomTopic starter
Wrecking Crew
Moderator
Platin Member
*****

Wrecking Crew
Join Date: Jan, 2009
Thank you19

Activity
0%
Male
United States
Posts: 7361
Referrals: 0

20755.00 Gold
View Inventory

Awards
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2011, 09:58:54 pm »
Go Up Go Down

That is a good bottle charlotte my bottle data base is on the pc at the shop will see what I can find out about it tomorrow night.

Linkback:

You are not allowed to view links.
Please Register or Login

http://www.thunting.com/smf/index.php/topic,15211.msg188396.html#msg188396




Logged

If you believe everything you read you are reading to much.
Treasure is a Harsh  Mistress

Offline charlotte49er
Owner - Gold Rush Guys
Copper Member
*

Gold Rush Guys
Owner - Gold Rush Guys
Join Date: Nov, 2010
Thank you0

Activity
0%
Male
United States
Posts: 64
Referrals: 0

500.00 Gold
View Inventory

WWW Awards

XP DEUS, DetectorPro Pirate Pro & Wader, Falcon MD20, Nugget Snoop, Garrett Coin Hunter w/Groundhog Coil, Ground EFX MX 200 digital GPS metal detector, Bounty Hunter Discriminator 840
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2011, 11:55:27 pm »
Go Up Go Down

Thanks! 

BTW, I mis-typed. I will end up with around 100-120 (not 300) bottles from the guys Grandmother.  Still not a bad haul for only having to drive about 25 miles one way, to get them.

Every bottle that I didn't know, I was able to find something out on-line. But this one Pepsi bottle. 

Now if I could come across a haul of bottles form my childhood.....Anyone remember "BIG RED"?  Sometimes called "TIGER RED". I guess I could always look on ebay.  It was a pretty popular drink if you lived in Southern Indiana.  or Birch Beer?  I remember drinking that when I visited my Grandmothe rin Jersey.  Sorry, it's late. 

Linkback:

You are not allowed to view links.
Please Register or Login

http://www.thunting.com/smf/index.php/topic,15211.msg188405.html#msg188405




Logged

Gold Rush Guys - Gold Prospecting Supplies and Metal Detectors

You are not allowed to view links.
Please Register or Login

{alt}

Carolina Dealers for XP DEUS, DetectorPro Metal Detectors and Headphones and Gold Prospecting Supplies


Offline gambol1
Silver Member
*

At first we were all hunters
Join Date: Jan, 2010
Thank you0

Activity
0%
Male
United States
Posts: 919
Referrals: 0

4800.00 Gold
View Inventory

Awards

Garrett 150, 250,Fisher F75S, Tesoro sand shark
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2011, 01:03:33 am »
Go Up Go Down

Quote:Posted by seldom
Bottles

There are four important characteristics for dating bottles:

-Mold Seams
-Finish Types
-Closures
-Glass Color



Posted on: July 28, 2011, 12:49:11 AM
Seldom, good info. I got my second bottle today. It's a  short square liquor bottle. "S.CRABFELDER&CO, LOUISVILLE KY. holds about a half pint. Thing that caught my eye was that it has a glass closure. The cork around the glass that formed the seal is gone but the glass part is still in tact. gambol

Linkback:

You are not allowed to view links.
Please Register or Login

http://www.thunting.com/smf/index.php/topic,15211.msg188410.html#msg188410



There are 2 attachment(s) in this post which you can not view or download

Please register for viewing them.

bottle 1.JPG
bottle 2.JPG


Logged
Offline charlotte49er
Owner - Gold Rush Guys
Copper Member
*

Gold Rush Guys
Owner - Gold Rush Guys
Join Date: Nov, 2010
Thank you0

Activity
0%
Male
United States
Posts: 64
Referrals: 0

500.00 Gold
View Inventory

WWW Awards

XP DEUS, DetectorPro Pirate Pro & Wader, Falcon MD20, Nugget Snoop, Garrett Coin Hunter w/Groundhog Coil, Ground EFX MX 200 digital GPS metal detector, Bounty Hunter Discriminator 840
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2011, 01:24:29 am »
Go Up Go Down

Quote:Posted by seldom
That is a good bottle charlotte my bottle data base is on the pc at the shop will see what I can find out about it tomorrow night.


Thanks, FYI, the bottle measures about 8 1/2" Tall, and 2-2 1/8' in DIA.  If that helps any.



Linkback:

You are not allowed to view links.
Please Register or Login

http://www.thunting.com/smf/index.php/topic,15211.msg188412.html#msg188412




Logged

Gold Rush Guys - Gold Prospecting Supplies and Metal Detectors

You are not allowed to view links.
Please Register or Login

{alt}

Carolina Dealers for XP DEUS, DetectorPro Metal Detectors and Headphones and Gold Prospecting Supplies


Offline seldomTopic starter
Wrecking Crew
Moderator
Platin Member
*****

Wrecking Crew
Join Date: Jan, 2009
Thank you19

Activity
0%
Male
United States
Posts: 7361
Referrals: 0

20755.00 Gold
View Inventory

Awards
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2011, 05:17:47 am »
Go Up Go Down

gambol check this out

You are not allowed to view links.
Please Register or Login

http://cgi.ebay.com/URI-mini-WHISKEY-BOTTLE-FLASK-LOUISVILLE-KY-1800s-/110719874618?_trksid=p4340.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC%26its%3DI%252BC%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%26otn%3D15%26pmod%3D270786736822%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D1659036579561861315


Linkback:

You are not allowed to view links.
Please Register or Login

http://www.thunting.com/smf/index.php/topic,15211.msg188417.html#msg188417




Logged

If you believe everything you read you are reading to much.
Treasure is a Harsh  Mistress

Offline GoldDigger1950
The Old Man and the Soil
Global Moderator
Platin Member
*****

Just call me GD.
The Old Man and the Soil
Join Date: Jun, 2009
Thank you225

Activity
0%
Male
United States
Posts: 11219
Referrals: 12

47848.00 Gold
View Inventory

Awards

Garrett Groundhog ADS, Garrett Sea Hunter, Bounty Hunter Tracker IV, Bounty Hunter Pioneer 505,Minelab Eldorado Mk II, Tesoro Compadre, Tesoro Tiger Shark & A Few Home Brew Detectors
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2011, 08:52:41 pm »
Go Up Go Down

I see. So Seldom is an expert at viewing the inside of a Whiskey bottle as it gets emptied into his glass. Or do you just go at it right from the bottle, mate?

Linkback:

You are not allowed to view links.
Please Register or Login

http://www.thunting.com/smf/index.php/topic,15211.msg188531.html#msg188531




Logged

It's all about that moment when metal that hasn't seen the light of day for generations frees itself from the soil and presents itself to me.
Let's Talk Treasure!

Print
Pages:  1 2   Go Up
Jump to:  

Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2005, Simple Machines | Sitemap
Copyright THunting.com