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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2013, 03:38:08 pm »
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GD, I can't find anything Legal about making Shine or anything above 20 Proof.

Please post what you can.

Here is my Experimental set up producing up to two oz a hour.

Simple Tea Pot Stainless.

Copper Condenser.

High Temp Silicon from a coffee Pot good for over 212F.

Ethanol boils at 174F.

I keep the Pot at 178F as were at 4000Ft here.

Yes you need to adjust to Altitude.

Condenser goes in a coffee can of Salt water and Ice.

Works for me.

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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2013, 04:15:08 pm »
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Unless you are going to make some, why bother to look it up. It was made illegal by the 18th Amendment which, when repealed, removed the illegality of it. You can make it but cannot sell it.

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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2013, 06:33:50 pm »
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Well I guss I need to Curtail my playing with such goodies.    Huh?

My Guess is they Really don't want to loose the Money they Rob from Us for the Stuff.    LOL

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Tough out of luck - see the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, their FAQ page, and some of the latest ammended laws. You will find ....
 
Spirits You cannot produce spirits for beverage purposes without paying taxes and without prior approval of paperwork to operate a distilled spirits plant. [See 26 U.S.C. 5601 & 5602 for some of the criminal penalties.] There are numerous requirements that must be met that make it impractical to produce spirits for personal or beverage use. Some of these requirements are paying special tax, filing an extensive application, filing a bond, providing adequate equipment to measure spirits, providing suitable tanks and pipelines, providing a separate building (other than a dwelling) and maintaining detailed records, and filing reports. All of these requirements are listed in 27 CFR Part 19.

I find it interesting that there is No Law saying you can't but they tell you you can't??    What's with That?
 
Ray emailed the BATF for the reference statutes concerning home distillation. Here is their response:
 
Ray, you have not been able to locate anything on home production because there is no provision for it. Moonshining is still illegal!! Unlike wine or beer, the laws and regulations governing distilled spirits contain no provision that would allow someone to produce spirits in their home for personal use. Under 26 U.S.C. Section 5171 operations as a distiller, warehouseman or processor may be conducted only on the bonded premises of a qualified distilled spirits plant. To qualify such a plant, a registration, application for permit and bond must be filed in addition to other supporting organizational documents. 26 U.S.C. 5178 places restrictions on where a plant can be located. Hope this answers your question.
 
Carol Coy Industry Specialist National Revenue Center-Cincinnati, OH Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms e-mail: cjcoy@cinc.atf.treas.gov
 
What all this basically comes down to is ... 1. Americans can own a still, but it must be no larger than 1 gallon, and may only be used for water purification or the extraction of essential oils from plants. 2.Dealers/manufacturers of stills in the United States must surrender any address or other info on any customer who buys a still to the BATF, when they request it.(no warrant is required.)
 
What this means is that anyone who buys a still in America can at any time expect a knock at the door and a man with a badge demanding to see what is being done with the still they bought. How this affects the companies seen advertising 5 gallon stills for use as a water purifier, was not listed, nor is there any info on solar stills. It is probably VERY illegal to import a still too.
 
If you're trying the angle of making alcohol as a fuel (yes, this is legal!), see Steve Spence's site for all the details.
 
Whats the cost of doing it right ? Don advises ...

State license(varies from $75-$4,500 per year) & a Federal license ($500 per year) plus State & Fed. production taxes. Registration of all supplies, suppliers, formulas (Subject to classification and approval) and label reg. (Subject to classification and approval). More paperwork than money. If you already have a brewery or winery (bonded premises) an "alternation of premises" may be obtained to operate a distillery (with the additional license) on site. Well worth the trouble, because there is still room at the top.
 




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Which is why you can't find a law allowing it, either. Crazy but true. When the 18th amendment was repealed, they just lost interest in laws prohibiting the private production of alcohol.

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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2013, 11:32:32 am »
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Spooky times when the Government Assumes you need permission to do anything.   Shocked

Most People would assume if it's not against the law it must be ok.

Guess I'm Wrong.  LOL

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« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2013, 02:58:33 pm »
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Just don't put a sign up by your house saying I make my own booze that's all mate  Cheesy

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Just don't put a sign up by your house saying I make my own booze that's all mate

Have you ever gotten a whiff of fermenting corn mash or sour mash? Smells like pet food stew. Can't miss it. It would be very hard to hide it.

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« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2013, 03:13:13 pm »
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Especially on the Second Ferment!       OOOOOH Did I say that?

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« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2013, 04:23:34 pm »
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congrats poptop i will love an invite too.
i also want to tell you about the rumors i hear at the pub about making "grapa" using a 10L stainless still pressure cooker and 1/2 inch and 1/4 inch copper pipe condenser.
passing through home brew wine that was undrinkable,when that run out cheap cask wine.but perhaps that was just a rumor.
of-course its illegal to make spirits in this country but you can buy a distiller from the home brew shop if you want to spend up to $1K to make essential oils.
its legal in NZ. allot of info on how to coming on the web from there if any one interested reading about for educational purpose of-course

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very hard to hide it.

I can attest to that. We have an alcohol 'plant' 5 miles west. just as well be next door. Sustainable fuel you Know. Gonna save the world.
Loving all the comments here. I will keep you posted.


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