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« Reply #110 on: February 01, 2011, 03:43:50 am »
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Guys, Here's what I do know as a fact. I have been beside a H-3 Tec and a Bionic 01 with my equip. We have been out in the field. Hunted with  the H-3 and only did a demo with the Bionic 0. I had signals set before they got there. The H-3 hit in  the exact spots plus some more. I was able to determine most of them were not gold. Some were not where we could get access. 2 targets had gold leaf or looked like they did.  The bionic 01 hit 3 of the 4 signals I had. I did not chase them as I simply went to see if it worked so i don't know what they were.

If they would take you directly to any target you wanted, they may be worth the price. Since I already had the same signals, nothing to gain.

What are these things hitting? I don't know. But as Bill said," the signal is NOT where the target is" Maybe magnetic lines of the earth.

The problem is not locating but pinpointing. This will require a different approach. Something to reduce ground interference and enhance the signature of the target.


But, you didn't dig anything. Nothing was found....nothing was recovered to "truth" or verify there actually was a "hit" or target to begin with.

Your dowsing gimmicks were pointing at _____________  (fill in the blank) and you now expect grown men to accept your "word" that known fraudulent devices work.

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« Reply #111 on: February 01, 2011, 07:22:56 am »
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as the topic dowsing or mfd. here's the schematic of mfd from geotech1. now it needs a explanation from those who use mfd. and how this circuit is used in finding metals.

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« Reply #112 on: February 01, 2011, 10:50:15 am »
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as the topic dowsing or mfd. here's the schematic of mfd from geotech1. now it needs a explanation from those who use mfd. and how this circuit is used in finding metals.

 
  I guess we're supposed to print that image, take it treasure hunting, and get more treasure.
Unfortunately like fenix said, with his current equipment he had less signal responses, and to
me it means his has better discrimination, although not pinpointing, his is more specific. Is this
image a circuit that causes a signal of mixed frequencies, or is it alleged to be set to a certain
frrequency?
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Posted on: February 01, 2011, 10:27:55 AM
Fight             Oh, and when I expanded it to actual size there is a big blob
of black and white letters, THunting.com over the corner of the diagram,
kinda messing up the image. Something is causing target responses.
Fenix or art or a few others can randomly pair up and at a site usually
locate the same spot where treasure isn't. A former partner and I tested that
years ago. We even got the same depth readings.
   I can't explain it all. When you do like I did with continuity you have about the
same chance as you do with an out jack only. But when you mess with the tiny
charge in the earth's field, hit it with audible sound, and whatever else you can,
and end up with results like I had, odds increase in your favor.
   If only we could make it work perfectly one percent of the time. Then all we
would have to do is go treasure hunting with it one hundred times.
-bill-
p.s. if only we could explain it more simply, and completely.
If I had a Dog Locator, could I find a dog, or would the dog move?
Why does the signal to a treasure move over time and build a resistance
as the particle ionization in the soil changes? My dog locator "hears" barking
but is it merely echoing off a wall or two?

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« Reply #113 on: February 01, 2011, 11:52:18 am »
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But, you didn't dig anything. Nothing was found....nothing was recovered to "truth" or verify there actually was a "hit" or target to begin with.

Your dowsing gimmicks were pointing at _____________  (fill in the blank) and you now expect grown men to accept your "word" that known fraudulent devices work.


RO I agree that drowsing does not work but the believers have a right to discuss it with each other. It is part of treasure hunting and the history of THing. So I am asking you to please move on and let them have their discussion without your NA NA NA. Thats not helping any.

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« Reply #114 on: February 01, 2011, 12:23:44 pm »
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Hi guys;

RO, if you read my post, I said 2 targets looked like they had gold leaf on them. Here's a picture where 1 was found and 2 pictures of the items. One is a pin of sorts next to some necklaces and the other is center bottom next to a ring, a piece of ornamental metal off something. Other targets were found, but not kept as they were trash, alum. with anodizing, a metal strap, a part of farm equip. a white rock of some kind. Stuff like that, throw aways.
Maybe we "guessed" at where to look, but if you can look at that field and "guess" where to go look, you need to be on
psychic network. 

Posted on: February 01, 2011, 12:14:45 PM
Sorry about that. the piece is between the coin and the ring on the bottom center.

Posted on: February 01, 2011, 12:19:08 PM
A suggestion. On that circuit, a 1K pot needs to be in series with the 10K for a fine adj.  I'm just saying.

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« Reply #115 on: February 01, 2011, 12:31:12 pm »
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Hey bill?I hope this is useful to you?Art

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by Carl Moreland

Each of the devices presented here are very simple to build and range in cost from zero to about $20. The electronic LRL (project 4) is the only one which requires any electronics assembly skills. If you decide to build one or more of these devices, I warn you not to get lulled into a false sense of success by using the typical sloppy testing of dowsing proponents, or to believe for a moment that you will ever find any treasure with one of these. You will not. As the psychic hotlines say: they are for entertainment purposes only.

Conclusion
At this point I hope you have built and tested some of the described LRLs. They are fascinating devices, not in the sense that they can locate remote buried treasure - which they cannot - but in the effect they can have on the psychology of the user. One who is not aware of the subtle mental and muscular forces being employed to effect a response from the rods will swear they are moving on their own. That is why it is so important to (A) understand what is actually going on and (B) to use thorough and unbiased testing to evaluate LRL performance.
Some good ideas for building rods here..

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« Reply #116 on: February 01, 2011, 01:30:51 pm »
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I see from your Geotech link that Carl Morland, knows very little about what he is talking about. Wrong theory, wrong instruction, and dis-information.

If ground conditions are such that the emanating field rises vertically from the target, then pinpoint accuracy within 1 foot can usually be obtained with Frequency Discrimination (MFD).

This summer I recovered this Emerald Cluster, and a single raw emerald, from a depth of 6 1/2 feet on a Florida Beach.

I used a sub-harmonic frequency for Beryllium to detect a 9 foot  long scatter pattern, and I used a 4 inch thin wall Aluminum tube, and a flat blade auger to extract the Emerald from the dry sand.

Previously, I have extracted a number of small artifacts, musket balls, buttons , and coins at a depth of 5-6 feet deep from a 1715 Spanish shipwreck salvage camp using this method.  Dell

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« Reply #117 on: February 01, 2011, 01:35:35 pm »
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If I was you knowing that Carl is full of Hoodoo you should take him up on his $25,000 Challenge.

Easy Money, Eaaaa? Great

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Unfortunately, you are not me, or you would have an understanding of physics to know why Carl, and Randi, created their challenge so they can not be won using my MFD, or HID in their present stage of development. I don't recommend anyone try to win their Challenge with the products I build.  You have a much better chance of being successful if you use them as they are intended, as an aid to finding Treasure than you will trying to win a Randi, or Carl, self promotion gimmick. Dell

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« Reply #119 on: February 01, 2011, 02:27:06 pm »
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  Art I don't understand what Carl Moreland is saying about
"establishing a quantum link." Who is he and what does he know about the application of advanced quantum electrodynamics? Is he predicting that we will be using or
electronically stimulating gold in order to find gold? Already been done.
  What someone needs to try is a set of rods that work like an electro- magnet,
but with alternating current instead of direct, and the cycle slowed to about
25 to 30 per second, with a sample of gold attached to one, a sample of
mercury attached to the other, and a sheet of gold-leaf as a target, for the large surface that it presents, buried in moist sand. I doubt if the "bait" will have any effect + or - in
this scenario. But then leave the "gold-leaf" target in ground and check it 3 months later.
In my area it will most likely move south east, thus disabling you from going to the target and instead going to a spot near 100' away from where it is actually buried.. Of course I use 50 Hz.
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In a "clean" trash free area this could be done with copper instead of gold. I use 120 Hz.

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