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« on: January 01, 2010, 09:48:33 pm »
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Found this on from Elsevier Publications:Abstract

For testing human sensitivity to radio frequency (RF) standing waves a movable reflecting wall was constructed. Radio waves from the radio?TV tower reflected back and formed a standing wave near the reflector. When the reflector was moved, the position of the maximums of the standing waves changed and the electromagnetic intensity changed in the body of the standing test subject. The computer with an AD-converter registered the signals of the hand movement transducer and the RF-meter with 100MHz dipole antennas. A total of 29 adults of different ages were tested. There were 9 persons whose hand movement graphs included features like the RF-meter. Six showed responses that did not correlate with the RF-meter. There were also 14 persons who did not react at all. Sensitive persons seem to react to crossing standing waves of the FM-radio or TV broadcasting signals.

I have read of a theory that a dowser responds to standing waves and found this interesting.

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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2010, 04:48:27 am »
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Just out of curiosity, is there some sort of point to this post?

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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2010, 01:13:54 pm »
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Randy, I have been able to detect a signal line from an MFD to a target just by holding my arms out and walking around the transmitter until I could "feel it". It took me a long time to learn it, but then again no one was teaching me, I learned it completely on my own. It's mostly a matter of becomming aware of it. So absolutely yes, this can be done.

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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2010, 02:10:52 pm »
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"Just out of curiosity, is there some sort of point to this post?"

I do believe this is a dowsing forum. Post makes good point to me.

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"Just out of curiosity, is there some sort of point to this post?"

I do believe this is a dowsing forum. Post makes good point to me.


Well, if it was meant to be informative, it isn't. Why does anyone expect there not to be a reaction if anything with moisture in it stands at the point of a standing wave of any frequency? That's how microwave ovens work. It's no mystery and certainly not related to dowsing.

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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2010, 02:25:29 pm »
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"I have read of a theory that a dowser responds to standing waves and found this interesting."

Not looking for an argument here GD.

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"I have read of a theory that a dowser responds to standing waves and found this interesting."

Not looking for an argument here GD.


What's the relationship to dowsing? This is, after all, a public forum. Suppose I said I find refrigerators useful for finding plastic buttons. You wouldn't be confused as to the meaning of such a connection? The same goes for seemingly unrelated comments no matter how weird or spooky they seem. I am, as always, curious. You're the one suggesting an argument. If you have one, please put it away.

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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2010, 12:21:44 am »
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GoldDigger,

I am a patient man but you're pushing it by playing dumb.  As I posted and Sedonan kindly repeated, I had read that a new theory on the possible explanation for the dowsing response was due to our nervous system responding to standing waves.  I have done extensive study including Tromps book which goes the deepest by far into experiments with dowsers.  Other theories are Torsion Fields,magnetic vectors and scaler waves.  All somewhat related and when you look at an EEG you see how our nervous system works by electrical impulses not a sine or square wave.  Verstehen Sie jetzt?

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I am a patient man but you're pushing it by playing dumb.  As I posted and Sedonan kindly repeated, I had read that a new theory on the possible explanation for the dowsing response was due to our nervous system responding to standing waves.  I have done extensive study including Tromps book which goes the deepest by far into experiments with dowsers.  Other theories are Torsion Fields,magnetic vectors and scaler waves.  All somewhat related and when you look at an EEG you see how our nervous system works by electrical impulses not a sine or square wave.  Verstehen Sie jetzt?

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Randy, I am not talking "dumb" but a standing wave is far different than the way you are using it. A TV and FM signal are generated by an amplified oscillation from a focused antenna. The convergence of two frequencies set up the standing wave. It is not a spontaneously existing phenomenon. The theory of dowsing alleges that you can detect oscillations from a tiny object simply because of its composition. There is no amplification and no standing wave in that.

I am still at a loss as to where you can take a 50 watt signal that generates a standing wave and call a bodily reaction to being in a peak power point a dowsing type reaction. In fact, it is a serious condition known as convulsing and you should be more amazed at the subjects who did not react than those who did.

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GoldDigger,

Being an RF guy for the past 30 years in industry I am aware what a standing wave is.  This is obviously an extreme example,but the notion of dowsers detecting standing waves from objects has been proposed and I will have to see if I can track down the article.  No the article did not explain how objects cause standing waves so hence a theory. 

Some of the other books I have read that had plausible explanations of dowsing are:

Water Dowsing Energy Waves and Chemistry by Dr. Cecil W. LeFevre and Warren Gleason 2003
Biophysical Experiments on the Radiation of Matter,Divining Rods, Electric Waves by Dr. Paul E. Dobler 1939-(my Favorite)
Dowsing:New Light on an Ancient Art by Tom Williamson 1993

and an abstract of an article in the "Transactions of the Royal Society of Edinburgh" entitled "Towards a physics of dowsing:Inverse effects in the northern and southern hemispheres" which puts forth the theory of spin torsion fields.

In reading all these newest theories I hope to make an electronic Receiver to detect these various fields.  Dr. Dobler spent years experimenting with Millimeter Waves given off by various substances which is plausible given the fact of the new millimeter passive scanners at airports.  Even though millimeters aren't known to penetrate soil at depth, I did have an article from Russia demonstrating a tank mounted millimeter camera that was able to see 55 gallon drums buried several feet underground-impressive photographs.

I am a gold prospector and miner so this is what drives my interest in finding a faster way to detect placer deposits than the way I'm doing it now (taking mercury readings of soil,measuring the amount of magnetite in soil and just plain sampling).

I would like to know what things you have discovered about dowsing.


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