Have you seen this Dowser?

LoL.

Like your avatar, you just keep going to go in circles.

They don't work.

The stick is just a extension of your mind, you point to the points you already know about.

It's like dowsing for water when water is only 20ft down every place.

I have a Place in the Florida Mtns here in New Mexico it's full of fault lines.

A well driller friend of mine has shown me that water can be had on one side of the road at 100ft.  On the other side of the road you can't find water at 600ft.

Have Fun!







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I thought it was interesting what he posted on his website in regard to the age old question for dowsers "Why Ain't You Rich?".  Probably about the best answer I have seen from a dowser on it, however, that being said I do not believe he is rich despite his multiple contracts and such.  This simple "redneck" question remains the biggest problem for dowsers and dowsing and it creates my most persistent doubt about its veracity.  

Now, him selling his DVD's and doing seminars is not quite as bad for me as if I had (or have) the ability to dowse I am the type of person that would want to share the skill with others as there is more than enough treasure to go around for everyone.  I would want to raise everyone's boat, so to speak, and I would have no problem in seeing many others get rich and prosperous as that would bring me great pleasure.  There is so much lost treasure out there that it would take an army of thousands of full time professional dowsers decades to find even a small percentage of it.

Of course, there is the very old and very true adage that "Those who can, DO, and those who can't, TEACH.".

Another flaw in his answer to the "Why Ain't You Rich?" is his explanation answer connected with the 75% of America that is owned by the BLM, or whatever they changed the name to now.  A very large portion of these BLM lands can be claimed and mined for a small lease fee compared to what could be obtained from any successful venture.  To say that you have to be from a university and submit paperwork for 2 years prior to getting permission to remove a single fossil is a classic misdirection technique used often by debaters and more than a bit disappointing as well as a bit insulting to anyone of average intelligence.  This "fossil" hunt statement completely ignores the possibility of the individual person dowsing on BLM lands and finding small mine-able sites that could very easily make them financially independent if not "rich".  

All that being said,  I have not tried dowsing yet.  I have wanted to research it prior to my personal testing.  As I said in another post, there is enough evidence documented to at least allow a postulation that it could be a real phenomenon and is worthy of testing.  Here is my post from earlier today:


"I recently started investigating dowsing but have intentionally not tried it myself yet as I did not want to prejudice myself in any way.  I have wondered if the "faith" aspect of dowsing is the key.  Your post seems to support this.  The power of the mind to heal is known to science.  The "Placebo Effect" is one example.  People in double blind scientific tests are told they are being given a certain medication and it will do a certain thing and instead of being given the medicine are given a sugar pill that produces the "healing" just as the "medicine" would have.  We are composed of water, electrolytes, energy, elements.  Our bodies work like biological batteries.  We even need to "charge" up for 8 hours a night.  Why would it not seem reasonable to postulate that we can project and interact with other electromagnetic/electrochemical fields and systems if the computer (brain) is able to get its "mind" right and set parameters that allow for the interaction?

I am just rambling and thinking out loud here.  Of course, like any human ability, there are some that can do things that others cannot.  Some can do some things exceptionally well and if that skill has value in the marketplace they get paid large amounts of money to display or use that skill.  These people are called "Professionals".  Physical examples of this are the typical athletic activities of football, golf, basketball, soccer, etc..  Mental examples include hedge fund managers, top level stockbrokers, handicappers who consistently are better than 60% in their selections and the brilliant genius level scientists.  The physical side of things are clearly seen and understood by all as "seeing is believing".  The mental side tends to be more "invisible" as they do not trumpet their abilities and are not as celebrated by the general public, although they are certainly celebrated by their professional colleagues within their fields.  Some ascribe intuition as a key part of their mental abilities.  Some who demonstrate prescience attribute it to good planning and preparation...others admit to "luck" at times.  Those with the healthiest egos will take full credit for anything they do without a second thought to any other source as it fits their purposes."




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R.O., what evidence would you like to see?

I would like to see a demonstration that is completely scientific with all the variables covered. However this may not be possible with what we know and understand at this time.

I agree with points on both sides of the argument,actually this particular subject and MANY others,....but a persons own experience usually dictates what they believe. You or anyone else has not had the life experiences that I or another person has had. I have found that dismissing someones experiences may come back to haunt (heh heh, sorry about that one) you if you have an experience that leads you to a similar conclusion.

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There are many anecdotal reports of dowsing working.  One person with his own experience recently started a thread right here on this site:

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I have seen many other similar personal reports like this.  The "scientific community" has been wrong about things more times than I can count and had to retrace their steps and retract their "statements of fact" so many times that I would not use them as a blanket benchmark of truth.  It is clear that the vast majority of scientists have made up their minds on dowsing but the problem that exists today in science is that unless you are in an area of "approved" scientific research you will not get the grant money, the tenure that you need to have to keep working.  Just even hinting that you want to do a serious study on certain subjects could ruin your reputation and career.  As some have said, there are subjects that we do not have enough knowledge about to even begin to know what questions to ask or how to even begin to study them in a way that would be productive.  On top of all that, the apparently unreliable nature of dowsing and dowsers is incompatible with the current ability level of the "scientific method". 

For example, lets say that you have 100 out of 100,000 people who play American football every week who say they can run a 4.40, forty yard dash.  It is quite easy to setup a test that will determine if those people can indeed run a 4.40, forty yard dash on any given day on any given football field in any given condition.  On a beautiful, 70 degree, sunny day you do your test and you find out that 62 out of the 100 can run it in a time of 4.40 or less.  On another day with a 15 mph headwind, only 32 can run it in a 4.40 or less.  On one other day, with light rain and shifting winds only 12 can run it in that time.  On a muddy course in perfect weather with no wind...nobody can run it in that time.  It is easy to see how the variables affect performance.  The same could be said of any physical or mental activity that people attempt. 

It is conceivable that dowsing performance is somehow related to the magnetic field strength of the earth, how active the sun is in its production of various types of radiation that affect magnetic fields here on earth or many other variables we have no clue about right now.  I have read many accounts by dowsers who do not understand why they can dowse with ease on some days and conditions and on others they can't do anything.  It is very easy to see how this would be extremely hard to fit this into a scientifically designed study and even easier to understand how any attempts to do so would probably be very crude and unable to take into account any significant fraction of the variables in a meaningful way.  Any study of dowsing at this point in time would be have to be anecdotal but would still have value as I expect there could be thousands of stories told just like the one the link above refers to.

"Doubt is the beginning not the end of wisdom."





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	There are many anecdotal reports of dowsing working.

The many anecdotal reports of dowsing working are taken from internet blogs and message board testimonials. And then, a small bashing of Science followed up with some wish science. And more internet blogs and message board testimonials (anecdotal reports).

I've seen this scenario played out a thousand times over. Stomping of the feet....wishing real hard (what if, what if) and blaming real science for the failure to find buried treasure with a dowsing wand.

Just a rational observation

R.O.

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