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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2010, 09:07:16 am »
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GREAT STORY=GREAT HISTORY=all  So fine, nuggetts-tools, this kind of stuff blows me away, LOVE IT, if I were 50 yrs younger and the mindset i have now, would be nothing but a treasure hunter=Lordy how I would love to do that= thanks for the story and pics-GREAT STUFF Wise

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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2010, 06:10:56 pm »
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If you like such stories, here is Sir Walter Raleigh's account.

He got so close, but did not find the gold. Lots of gold is being found today, but it still needs a spirit of adventure and the will to face hardship and danger.

Where is the young generation for that?

Us Old timers could still help with research and advise that comes from experience, but it needs a strong body to go out there.

A strong body and courage.

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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2010, 09:55:16 pm »
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Thanks for posting the PDF file.

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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2010, 10:23:31 pm »
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Sir Walter Raleigh never brought any gold back to England so the Queen had him executed!

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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2010, 02:06:03 pm »
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"country with his pen, and a boy of mine called Hugh Goodwin, to learn the language. I
after asked the manner how the Epuremei wrought those plates of gold, and how they
could melt it out of the stone. He told me that the most of the gold which they made in
plates and images was not severed from the stone, but that on the lake of Manoa, and in
a multitude of other rivers, they gathered it in grains of perfect gold and in pieces as big
as small stones, and they put it to a part of copper, otherwise they could not work it;
and that they used a great earthen pot with holes round about it, and when they had
mingled the gold and copper together they fastened canes to the holes, and so with the
breath of men they increased the fire till the metal ran, and then they cast it into moulds
of stone and clay, and so make those plates and images. I have sent your honours of
two sorts such as I could by chance recover, more to shew the manner of them than for"


This is an extract of Raleigh's account. The lake he mentions could be the mythical lake PARIMA. The whole region where the lake must have been, is indeed very rich in placer gold. Over one million ounces are recovered every year.

Many of the rivers contain gold and also diamonds.


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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2010, 04:55:31 pm »
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Great stuff Tinkerer! That is a nice looking nugget. Also the stone tools. Thanks for sharing that.

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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2010, 06:13:38 am »
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Sir Walter Raleigh never brought any gold back to England so the Queen had him executed!


This is the the part that hits me most.
When I look it up on Google Earth, it is only about 60 miles to the south east to EL Callao, from the place where Raleigh turned back because of the beginning of the rain season.

El Callao is the place where the gold rush to the area began around 1850.

Raleigh talks a lot about the Caroni river. He went up the river a short distance.
The Caroni carries gold and diamonds, if only Raleigh had known.

This shows where Raleigh failed. He did not bring any knowledgeable people with him that would have recognized the signs of the presence of gold.
Why?
If we analyze Raleigh's expedition deeply, we may find the basic flaw.
Why did he fail?
Bad luck?
Lack of funding to organize the expedition?
He seems to have had sufficient basic information.
Why did he not chose the right people to go on the expedition?
 
It would be an interesting academic exercise, but it also would teach how to avoid Raleigh's mistakes in a future expedition.   
This is the fact that in the end cost him his head.

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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2010, 11:25:56 pm »
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Tinkerer, you are right those ARE very good questions and applying  the lessons learned would benefit all of us.

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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2010, 07:11:03 am »
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So , let's look what clues we can find.

This will work best if we divide the job to several forum members. My internet connection is very, very slow it takes hours to download anything. If I have to do it on my own, it will take years.

For somebody with a fast internet connection, it takes longer to read the stuff than to download it.

Who wants to participate?

Who has time and interest in trying to solve this fantastic treasure puzzle.

Clues to look for:

For the start we want to define the goal: ELDORADO

The ELDORADO  legend has been repeated and placed in many different geographical regions. The ELDORADO we are interested in is RALEIGH'S ELDORADO.

What is he talking about? A city of gold? Or a land of gold?

CLUE: In the short text posted above, he talks about gold that has been picked up in rivers, in the form of nuggets.

We know that this applies very well to the Guyana region.
CLUE: Next, Raleigh tells how the smelted the cold. Is this real? Would the described technique work? Did the indigenous peopled have all the means to apply this technique?
The fact is that there have been found hammered gold artifacts and also some smaller cast artifacts.
Another fact that supports this theory, are the TUMBAGA gold bars that were found on 16th century shipwrecks. Were these TUMBAGA gold bars made from melted down Indian artifacts?
CLUE: The old maps that show the great PARIMA lake. Do the maps pre-date Raleigh's expedition? Who drew the maps? Who supplied the information?

CLUE: The stone tools found on our recent expedition. What can these stone tools tell us about the people living in this region?

Would somebody maybe take over the task of organizing the incoming information into a format that gives some overview? 

To find RALEIGH'S ELDORADO does not just mean go out into the jungle with a GPS, it means first do the homework. Collect all the clues, follow all the historic, geographic and geological leads.

We might do well to look at Raleigh's psychological profile too. I seem to recognize certain traits written between the lines of his account.
What made Raleigh tick?
What was his motivation?

Well let's see what we can do with the information we got so far. Where will it lead us?

What are the next clues?

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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2010, 12:54:23 pm »
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Well I have been reading info into this and there is a Great Salt Lake in Utah. ;-) May-be this is the homeland that is spoke of in Legend. I've been also looking into the Montezuma's Treasure which is also said he was going to be laid to rest in the homeland. Lots of symbols and such in the mountains of Utah.

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