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	?????? « on: November 04, 2009, 06:44:40 am »

Hi everyone, can any one help me on this one.

it is Bronze i think
it is 28mm across outer ring
it is 23mm across inner ring
it is 2mm in depth
any help will be much appreciated

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	Re: ?????? « Reply #1 on: November 04, 2009, 11:18:51 am »

Sometimes a bronze or brass ring is just a bronze or brass ring. Have you any reason to suspect it has other significant meaning? Where did you find it? How deep? Anything else nearby?

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	Re: ?????? « Reply #2 on: November 04, 2009, 11:41:56 am »

Thanks for that golddigger, it was found on private land at the bottom of a documented bronze age fell (hillside) it was 5" deep and not found anything near it.
the only reason it may have significant meaning is that looking through Christian's photo's today he has found one and labelled it as celtic coin ring!

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	Re: ?????? « Reply #3 on: November 04, 2009, 12:07:47 pm »

At that depth, it may be a significant find. I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming awaiting answers from those with knowledge of the Bronze Age and its artifacts.

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	Re: ?????? « Reply #4 on: November 04, 2009, 12:13:25 pm »

Hi Axi,

I'm not going to say that it isn't a celtic coin ring, but it could just as easily be a much more modern harness ring. Both the size and the material fall within the correct range for "modern" harness rings (and I would think that probably applies to harness rings applied in the last couple of hundred years)

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	Re: ?????? « Reply #5 on: November 04, 2009, 12:31:12 pm »

thanks for the comments i now have found this to confuse me even more, Early post medieval Belt or strap ring but these are copper alloy and not brass but i do not know how to tell the difference

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	Re: ?????? « Reply #6 on: November 04, 2009, 12:36:20 pm »

Bronze is an alloy of copper and usually tin but other metals were used by those who forged them all those centuries ago.

Get a streak plate from a rock shop to do a quick and dirty test for unknown metals. They normally come with instruction sheets.

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	Re: ?????? « Reply #7 on: November 04, 2009, 12:43:24 pm »

Both brass and bronze are copper alloys. Brass is typically copper with zinc as the major secondary metal. Bronze is copper with tin as the major secondary metal. As GoldDigger1950 points out the ratios used now are not necessarily the same ones used by metalsmiths in the past.

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	Re: ?????? « Reply #8 on: November 04, 2009, 01:03:47 pm »

Beat me to it, BitburgAggie_7377. I'll ditto the harness ring thing.

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	Re: ?????? « Reply #9 on: November 04, 2009, 01:45:16 pm »

Interesting find. I think I'd go back to that hillside and look it over again to see what else may come up. Might help to give a better idea as to what this piece is.

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