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« on: May 01, 2011, 02:21:16 am »
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Found in wooded location where i found the buckle, Southwest of England
Quite rare they were manufactured by Elley for only a short period because shortly afterwards they produced the centre fire as we know today.
To my suprise they have know ref in there book, and also not mentioned on the elley site.

Approx age is around 1880 made of brass, Notice the fireing pin which the hammer of the gun strikes.

I found 3 of these all within 20 meters of each other they vary in depth but the bores remain the same

Anymore imfomation that anyone can give me would be useful

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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2011, 12:29:03 pm »
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Hello Dave,
               Those are nice little finds you have there, Not to mention valueable
In the Antique Gun Parts market. Brass firing pins are amost obsoleate to find these days. as are brass bolts. I will check in my library of gun books and see
what I can find out for you. One thing is unless you can find the type of shotgun
it was made for there is no need to clean it ( or sanitaze it as it it called in the gun world) I do know that certain rare firing pins can fetch as much asd one hundred dollars or more in american money. Finding a firing pin let alone afew in the same area tells me that there are more parts around or even a total weapon
the condition if found would be another issue. I would suggest going over the area again and see what you can come up with. as soon as I can locate what your firing pin goes to Ill post it for you. If you have any other questions just ask
or send me a pm. Looking forward to your post and finds. Best Wishes...Rob

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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2011, 12:37:03 pm »
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Well that a new one on me, I did'nt know of such a thing, thanks Rob for the info

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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2011, 12:55:01 pm »
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Thanks Rob
To be honest when I found the first one, I didn't have a clue what it was, and asked various people in the antique trade and also people that belong to a gun club, no one had a clue, it wasn't until i posted it on ukfinds, that I got information to what it was, by all accounts a hammer used to hit that pin side on but this information was off only one person, i never had any other feedback, i found out about the dates etc from a ex ballistics officer who wrote a book all about cartridges etc, I emailed him and got no reply, and you cant get the book for love nor money.
Anyway Rob the more you can find out about these the better, and soon as I get time I will go back to see if I can find anything else that relates to them.
All the best and many thanks

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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2011, 07:44:05 pm »
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satdaveuk - those are an awesome find, will be waiting to find out what type of gun they were used on.
Good luck to Rob in finding the info for you. and Good luck to you in finding more parts or even better a whole weapon !!

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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2011, 07:49:03 pm »
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I'm waiting to see what Rob comes up with too he do know his onions when it comes to this stuff

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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2013, 01:30:03 pm »
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Hi, I know this is a little late but hope it helps.  The shall casing you found is called, pinfire,. It's a little older than 1880 by a couple decades,
 
 this type of cartridge evolved after the Civil war in Europe.  I believe it was one of the first center fire, breech loading rifles used by the French and Austrian armys.  They were also common for a short time in continental shotguns, many of which found their way here to North America.  It is a fairly unusual find, but condition would determine value, but their are numerous cartridge collecters , that might be interested.

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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2013, 03:38:33 pm »
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Thanks GMD52
Its never to late for added information.
Not got back looking there yet but when I do will take with me one of my PI detectors and dig everything around that location say 15 yards square because going by the date of those cartridges the trees would have been allot smaller and thinking theres a very good possibility they would have been much deeper in the ground and over a period of time the tree roots have pushed them up towards the surface  which allowed me to find them, where anything larger like the firearm would have been entwined within the roots which would stop it going up towards the surface.
Shall go out there soon before the leaves start growing again.
Talked to a chap on another site some time ago and he said that they are very rare but even more rare to find them with the pins still intact.

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Well that a new one on me, I did'nt know of such a thing, thanks Rob for the info

Make two of us. Thanks for sharing that Satdaveuk

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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2013, 05:34:13 pm »
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Very interesting find there! Congratulations on the finds and HH on hopefully digging up more on it.


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