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« on: September 15, 2011, 10:23:51 pm »
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I think I found this last year, cant remember. Ive been saving strange rocks and minerals since I was a kid, so I have ALOT of them, but know little about them. If its out of the ordinary...I usually take it home lol. I'll go through some this winter and post some to see what some of you that know about them can say. I dont know why the arrow? or spear? head was in the rock buckets but it was. Ive had that one since I was a kid. It's non magnetic and the pic shows some of the strange coloring but not like real life. Ill take pics in sunlight tomorrow and post them. And since I had the scale, magnet, camera, and a bucket of rocks in arms reach......Here is a few more upcoming posts lol. I probably have enough to post 5 per day for 5 years lmao I picked out ones for these picks that are all NoN-magnetic.

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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2011, 07:47:31 am »
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Do the test on that one for sure.

File a window on the end and see what ya see. Cool

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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2011, 09:03:55 am »
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Stony meteorites are not iron and therefore have no magnetic properties. The pic of the  corner notched PPK (arrow head) is possibly a Harden and dates to about 7,000 to 5,000 BP (before present). It is found in Illinois, Missouri and surrounding areas. I'd be interested in knowing where you found it.

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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2011, 10:47:42 pm »
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Stony meteorites are not iron and therefore have no magnetic properties. The pic of the  corner notched PPK (arrow head) is possibly a Harden and dates to about 7,000 to 5,000 BP (before present). It is found in Illinois, Missouri and surrounding areas. I'd be interested in knowing where you found it.

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Thanks for the replies. I had no idea it was that old, Shocked very interesting! I found that about 30 years ago in southwest MI close to the IN and IL borders about 15 miles from lake Michigan. That area has a belt from the ice age that dropped alot of rocks here, so as a kid I was a rockhound. We have placier gold because of that, but not much of it. I did find some quartz with gold stuck inside. I'll find it and take pics, might be winter before I do though, I got alot of buckets of rocks to go through to find it!  Potowatami, in MI and  Miami in northern IN are some of the tribes from around here. I'll find somewhere to get some of my rocks checked out. I'll post more when it gets colder this winter.

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Do the test on that one for sure.

File a window on the end and see what ya see. Cool

If you look close at the pics you can see on one side I took a SOS pad and scrubbed it hard. It barely did anything to it. So I took a stanley knife and scratched it, its a VERY hard metal!

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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2011, 11:24:43 pm »
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just picked up another rock today myself.

You wouldn't happen to have say a metal arrowhead?

I would like to know more about the info Dutchess put out also. I like the old stuff, be great to post some pictures and get some comments. Do you have one or two good links to sites that could help me understand what you said about the hardened arrowhead.

I do know it is rumored that samurai swords may have been made with meteorites. Also I ready somewhere Meteorites have been used for many things in the past?

My metal detecting was a bust. Im learning to hate expended brass ammo shell casings.



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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2011, 07:35:04 am »
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"Harden" is the name given to this particular stone tool. Not hardened. Just like we do now, various tribes and at various historic eras had a style to their lithics. Knowing this, we can identify and date them. All the points in your pics seem to be similar so they are likely from the same culture and time period. Analysis of PPK's (projectile points and knives) is based on the way they were made. The method and shape was passed down father to son, generation to generation, so they tended to be the same within that period.
The Harden point is characterized by the corner notches and size. You can google  any number of subjects associated with Native American  stone tool. There are also many research books available to type the tools. I'll see if I can find a good site to refer you.

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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2011, 09:43:46 pm »
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Thanks, I was shocked at the prices they go for, I may sell some.  I havent studied rocks since I was a kid, in spite of the fact I"m always bringing home new ones lol. I have an ancient rock tumbler (the one I used as a kid) I keep threatening to buy the grit for and shine up some rocks. Hope it still works, I have a smaller one I use all the time for coins if it doesnt. Maybe I'll have to do that this winter  Rider lord knows I have enough of them to keep the thing running 24-7 forever lol.

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Casca   -  You wouldn't happen to have say a metal arrowhead?

The tribes around here did do metal work with copper all around the great lakes. There is a huge copper mine in northern MI. I dont know the laws on artifacts here other than arrowhead hunting is allowed  Grin so no comment

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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2011, 10:01:51 pm »
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what kind of metals are meteorite?

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what kind of metals are meteorite?

They are generally iron or nickel but can also be a combination of both. Stony meteorites have no metal at all.

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Thank You duchess. I have a friend who finds Arrowheads all the time. I have been invited to bring my detector. He just uses his eyes and finds better stuff than I have ever seen on a treasure site.

Well Vision, here it is not allowed to be having indian artifacts. But in Ohio is was ok. I was really wondering about it as you have a knack for sure.

I may have just added another aspect to my hobby as Im out and about. We have battle fields from when the Apache and others were run from the area. There are massacre sites too that no one here seems to care about. So who know what I will find.

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