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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2011, 09:32:00 am »
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Casca, Don't want to derail this thread but you are allowed to find and keep Points and other Items found on Federal and State lands provided they are surface finds only.

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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2011, 08:00:16 pm »
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Do be aware that there are laws regarding collection of artifacts on pubic lands. I'd hate to see anyone be misinformed. Please read tghe following:

Regarding arrowheads and other artifacts on public lands.
Collecting archaeological resources, including arrowheads, is a violation under Title 43 Code of Federal Regulations 8365.1-5(a)(1).  It is also a violation of the Antiquities Act of 1906 and Title18 of the United States criminal code.  Violators may face prosecution and prison sentences of up to one year or more and/or possible fines in the tens of thousands of dollars.

According to the Archaeological Resources Protection Act of 1979 (ARPA), people who remove artifacts may be ordered by the court to relinquish or surrender any archaeological resources, vehicles, or equipment involved in the removal. These ARPA forfeiture provisions apply as a penalty in prosecutions regarding arrowhead removal.

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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2011, 02:06:54 am »
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Thanks for posting that Duchess. We have threads on that subject for anyone that is interested in the law and public land. Thats why I  stick with private land.

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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2011, 03:09:43 pm »
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I have a permit to work in the Talladega National Forest near where I live, and I have to ducument every item with lat/lon location, sketches, and photos before it's even disturbed. A site form must be filed with the state historic preservation office.
I hope everyone understands that each artifact provides valuable historic informantion about the cultural activity associated with it. That information is lost when it is moved from it's origional site. The laws are not aimed at the actual artifact, but the information associated with it.

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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2011, 04:36:25 pm »
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I mainly look for coins, the older the better, rings and jewelry are a plus too. But while most of us are searching for those things we run across artifacts sometimes. How could someone who runs across (example - old axe head) help get that info to the scientific world? I bet there are gazillions of people with collections like mine. Are those collections of any value scientifically since exact locations are long gone? Some of the things I have were bought at flea markets and garage sales also, so who knows where they originated.

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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2011, 11:57:07 am »
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TY again Homefire. I dont normally Arrowhead hunt. I have come across what I thought was meteorites and and was wrong. Guess i will just keep looking.

For those wondering, I thought Artifacts were a no no. I guess I can add arrowheads to me hunts now.

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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2011, 07:17:33 am »
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Anytime you find artifacts including arrowheads, this is a clue to the people that lived there. A few cm under that artifact may be the remains of a villiage thousands of years old now covered by eons of overburden. That artifact may be the only exposed clue to that site. Usually, surface artifacts have been exposed by erosion, or other disturbances. They don't just happen to be there, but were left at that place either intentially or by accident. The context of that artifact is very important for analysis. Most artifact including arrowheads, through examination, can tell us what peoples made it, how they made it, and when it was left there. Many times, weapons and tools were burried with their owner and you may have found a grave site. There are even more laws governing protection of Native American graves These laws extent to private land as well. The likelyhood of getting caught picking up an artifact on public land is remote, so It becomes an ethical decision. If you do find one, I would suggest that you GPS the site  before removing it. You may want to type it to learn more about who left it there. This is the real value of these artifacts.


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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2011, 08:09:39 am »
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Duchess has her point in that there are laws to protect the areas that are considered forbidden. BUTT the laws that govern private properties varies form state to state.
It is not forbidden here in Texas to dig on private property in areas known to produce burials it is a matter of ethics.
The property owner may choose to move these burials at their own discression to an area where they will not be disturbed in the future and marking the site would discourage further investigation by the curious.
The burials may be in an area where, if left as is, would be problematic in that they may at some future time become exposed to erosion or to heavy equipment disturbance.
If it is a known burial site, we here dig around that particular area.

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knowledge on this and many other issues. Kiss

Most serious collectors have accumulated a great deal of knowledge about the areas where they collect and have shared their information with others who know even more about what is and was there durring historic through the paleo periods.


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« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2011, 08:05:50 pm »
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Thanks again Duchess, great info on how us lay people can help. I read awhile back about the system they have in England? or another europe country about artifacts. I wonder how the MDer's like that system? The U.S. way is just going to make us all pirates lol. Dont tell an american he CANT do something! Did we learn from prohibition? Ah never mind.......I'll go on a rant  about that  Funny

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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2011, 04:02:50 pm »
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hi to all here is my first picture of fine quarts 4 inch in length and about 1.5 inch in the largest width point

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