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« on: July 11, 2011, 08:55:40 pm »
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Too hot for MDing in Chicago (at least for me) and went to several garage sales. The nice old ladies in my first visit had great old stuff for sale and had sold most of it. Got several old tools and a rare 1949 encased wheat penny from the Kiwanis Circle. Paid 5 cents for it, but one like it is offered online for $17.95  Great 

They also sold me 3 nice silverplated baby spoons for just 10 cents all three   One of them is a souvenir spoon from the Kensington Palace Hotel in London. The spoon reads E.P.N.S Elkington for maker's mark. EPNS stands for Electroplated Nickel Silver and it was a process invented and patented in 1838 by the Elkington brothers in Birmingham, England. Nice score! The second spoon has B & O stamped on the front (Baltimore & Ohio Railroad) and is marked Reed & Barton Triplex on the back. The B&O line was one of the oldest railroad companies in the nation and operated from 1830-1987. Another great piece of history. The baby fork reads Tudor Plated Oneida Community, probably from the 40's or 50's.

In another location I got a barely used 1973 Schwinn exercise stationary bike for just $5. Saw one online selling for $125   Cool
Not bad for a hot day in Chitown!

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I've got just a wee bit of bad news for you but mostly congratulations on your garage sale scores.

Nickel silver is not any part silver. It consists of 60% copper, 20% nickel and 20% zinc in the standard mix of today. It could be sliver plated. More than likely the collector value is going to be higher than the intrinsic value.

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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2011, 07:46:44 am »
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Quote:Posted by GoldDigger1950
I've got just a wee bit of bad news for you but mostly congratulations on your garage sale scores.

Nickel silver is not any part silver. It consists of 60% copper, 20% nickel and 20% zinc in the standard mix of today. It could be sliver plated. More than likely the collector value is going to be higher than the intrinsic value.


Exactly. Being that EPNS is just silver plated nickel, the value is not on the metal content but rather on the piece as a whole. However, Elkington EPNS was originally pure silver plated nickel and not sterling, which is an alloy of silver and copper. See:

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But also, there is nickel silver or German Silver (which as you pointed out contains no silver) and there is nickel silver that is electroplated with silver. Antique EPNS pieces have indeed a coat of pure silver per Elkington's electroplated process. So at least the spoon marked EPNS Elkington has the potential of being valuable as a collector's piece, not for the meager silver content.  Wink

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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2011, 09:59:24 am »
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Darn, you two are good.   I was just about to chime in with my own explanation of nickel silver/ German silver, but the two of you have it very well covered.

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So at least the spoon marked EPNS Elkington has the potential of being valuable as a collector's piece, not for the meager silver content.

Exactly! Congratulations on having a sharp eye for treasure. Oh, I do love a good garage sale.

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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2011, 12:33:30 pm »
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Theres a new one out there Tibetan silver which is just nickle silver with 10% lead add and less copper

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Thanks moderators. As always you are greeeat! Talking about alloys today I was surprised to dig and find a 2002 Italy 20 Euro-Cents coin  Shocked. I thought I had dug all the way to Europe  Grin

Well, I learned that these Euro cents are composed of Nordic Gold (89% copper, 5% aluminium, 5% zinc, and 1% tin). No gold at all Idiot. It was really easy to remove the light tarnish off by rubbing it with a Bar Keeper's Friend paste. It is funny how alloys got names that can be to some point misleading.

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Well, I learned that these Euro cents are composed of Nordic Gold (89% copper, 5% aluminium, 5% zinc, and 1% tin). No gold at all . It was really easy to remove the light tarnish off by rubbing it with a Bar Keeper's Friend paste. It is funny how alloys got names that can be to some point misleading.


Yeah, and our own "golden" dollars (Sacagawea and Presidential issues) are 88.5% copper, 6% zinc, 3.5% manganese, 2% nickel.    They've currently got a melt value of $0.0748 ...... I long for the days when we had honest money and a $1 had $1 worth of gold or silver and a dime had $.10 worth of silver  Sad



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Yeah, and our own "golden" dollars (Sacagawea and Presidential issues) are 88.5% copper, 6% zinc, 3.5% manganese, 2% nickel.    They've currently got a melt value of $0.0748 ...... I long for the days when we had honest money and a $1 had $1 worth of gold or silver and a dime had $.10 worth of silver  Sad




You got that right. It seems that nowadays coins are just trade tokens with little intrinsic value.

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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2011, 06:48:08 pm »
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nickel alloys gave better service than brass in plated flatware because of the strength and also when the silver plate wore through you could hardly tell it on a polished piece.

Posted on: July 17, 2011, 06:41:48 PM
I'm looking for US coins to go the the all aluminum standard. Once again the value of the coin will be equal to the value of the metal. Almost. Korea adopted  this when the won was 105 to 1$. (1970)

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