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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2009, 02:13:16 PM »
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hi.. Undecided  Undecided  Undecided  Smiley Wink

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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2009, 04:23:11 PM »
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Hi, Hobbyist, thank's for this information.About the weight of the unit too, because I was surprised to read in one another forum that the unit is light - was written I think from their dealer. But only the electronic block is maybe about 5 kg, yes? So it's clear that is not possible  by oneself to work with the unit.
I have some questions too.
There in the flyers for the unit is described that are included three searchcoils with the sizes - 210/315; 360/440 and 600/1000.There was written the following depths too - 3m, 5m, 8m. From all this We can suppose that these depths correspond to the relevant coils.
So, my question is with which coil have you detected metals up to 2m? And what size of metal?
Because, there on Nokta web-site is written the following:
" Let us bury a bracelet under 10 meters under the ground that no system can detect. The Golden King New Generation Radar can detect easily the hidden place of the bracelet with its detection and sensing ability."  Undecided
This is very strange, because at the same time there is written that the unit detects better on big depth when the objects are bigger than the coil.
How work the unit on clayey soil?
How quick is the unit?
I have another questions too, but... maybe tomorrow.
Thank you in advance for your answers.

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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2009, 07:31:28 PM »
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Hello to Airoia and Silver79. I shall try to answer your questions as best as I can.

Ferrous discrimination: It only has 2 modes, on and off. Most of the time I have searched with the discrimination in the OFF position (my main rule is to dig every target detected). I tried it with the ON mode in a trashy area and it did not pick up any cans/pulltabs/nails, so I can say it works well.

Soils and rocks:
I used the NGR for 4 days in an area that has the worst soil I have ever seen around here. It ranges from reddish acidic (pH is 3.9 to 4.6) tropical oxisol with very high presence of iron (tested with Lamotte soil testing kit and the content is off the scale) and clay content (30%-60% w/w) to a mixture of colluvium and riverine alluvium that is also liberally laced with iron and aluminum. Heavy metal poisoning leading to premature senescence/poor root growth of crops is common, and even the hardiest of weeds like imperata cylindrica and mikania micranthum/cordata grow poorly there. I have an agriculture background and am very familiar with local soils/vegetation. The NGR punched thru those soils with ease, and I was relieved. For comparison purposes, the honest salesman from Mala Geosciences (they make real GPR units that are very expensive) told me that their machine in this particular area could only get less than 1 meter of penetration due to the soil characteristic. The 2 meters depth I have gotten so far with the NGR makes me happy.

With regards to hot rocks, I encountered 6 or 8 (I forget the exact number) spots where the unit went off, and analysis showed ferrous metal at zero cm. It was just small surface rocks that had some iron ore in them. The on-board user guide states that the unit is also capable of penetrating rock, but it must be ground-balanced on the rock first. I stood on large rocks with certain carvings on them, balanced the unit and nothing was detected. A Hitachi EX120 Landy was used to remove the rocks and nothing was detected under the rocks or in the rocks (after they were broken up). Until I encounter a target in or under large rocks, the workability of this feature is still uncertain.

Coil type: The NGR is the model that comes with the general detection head rated to go down to 5 meters.

Size of metal detected: At slightly over 2m (I forget the exact figure...I think it was 210cm or 206cm), the target was approx 15cm square and 8cm tall. The depth analysis of the NGR is amazingly accurate, but you must properly ground-balance it, and sweep slowly and smoothly at a constant height for more accurate results. I worked the unit with the accelerometer function OFF because in some places, I had to be lowered with a rope to detect on near-vertical drops, and I feared the accelerometer would bias the detection results.

Weight of the unit: I estimate the weight of the box with screen to be 2.5 to 3kg, the rod and general detection head also weighs about the same, so it's about 5kg. My neck, right arm and back are still aching as I type this. One day I will weigh the unit on a scale.

How quick is the unit: I do not really understand this question. If you are referring to recovery speed, I did not test for that. It takes some time to boot up, and it is impossible for me to move quickly while wearing the box on my neck and holding the wand.

If you have more questions, feel free to ask, and I shall reply whenever I am back in town. If this machine helps just one person avoid an unexploded grenade or land mine, then I consider all this typing to be worthwhile.




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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2009, 11:42:31 AM »
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Hi to all.
I have just read your review hobbyist and can honestly say i agree with it. I have just purchased my own Nokta golden king with general head. I would say the discrimination function is very good. The depth to is also good, however the fault I do have with this machine is the weight of it. Like said before me, it is a heavy machine for one person. I recommend two go, therefore taking it in turns to dig and search.
I also had some issuses with it saying it has located gold, and it was other metals together. And the depth reading can be a little off to its true location. For example I located an 1816 George III sixpence. It said it was 50cm deep. I found it at 28cm approx. But above all I think it is a very good machine, it has potential. Just have to grow arms like arnie now.

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« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2009, 07:47:49 PM »
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Hello to uksearcher, and congratulations on your find! I am waiting for my bungee, hipstick and harness to arrive from the USA within the next 10 days or so, and shall report on if such a rig can help alleviate the weight of the rod and detection head. If the weight can be distributed to other parts of the body, detecting with the Nokta will be much more enjoyable.

Since the Nokta Golden King claims to be able to detect non-metal objects as well, I am going to see if it can find chunks of amber and copal in the ground. I read somewhere online that it uses soil-displacement algorithms. Maybe the machine has to be de-tuned in manual ground balance mode for this purpose. If any other users care to experiment, please let me know your settings and results. I suspect that IF it can detect amber chunks, they will show up as blue voids on the screen.

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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2009, 02:52:17 AM »
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I have weighed the Nokta NGR on a digital scale.

Main computer unit with supplied leather harness: 2.869kg
Wand with attached joystick: 1.075kg
General detection head: 1.622kg
GRAND TOTAL: 5.566kg (approx 12.27 pounds)

My canvas body harness, bungee cord and Hipstick arrived today. I strapped it on and attached it to the wand with detection head. What a relief! This was the best accessory I ever bought. I swung the wand without any strain and never even broke a sweat. The bungee cord transferred the weight to my chest and hip via the Hipstick. I feel I could detect all day with this rig on, and the quick-adjust feature for the bungee cord is really great on uneven terrain. And when I stop swinging, the wand just hangs there in mid-air, leaving my hand free to slap a mosquito, yank off thorns etc! Smiley I love it!

I hope the moderator won't mind if I post the website that sells the aforementioned items; I am not advertising....I'm just a satisfied customer, and this info can help other suffering owners of the heavy Nokta. Please surf to

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. Chris (the owner) gave me prompt and very good service. He even made me a custom-length Hipstick at no extra charge. If the URL has to be removed, feel free to PM me and I shall reply with the information.

2 very minor points: I added a small piece of rubber sheet to the bungee's clamp which attaches to the wand; this will prevent marring of the wand. I also put on a thin layer of Armorall Protectant Gel to the ball-socket joint of the Hipstick to reduce friction/wear and make for even smoother swinging.

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« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2009, 10:33:20 PM »
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Thanks Andy!

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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2009, 05:12:58 PM »
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Hobbyist, have you used big coils from DETECH with Minelabs or Whites?
I can ensure you that this two variants (minelabs or whites with detech coils) much better then any Nokta devices!
We have make many tests with golden king plus, Minelab ex se with

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To your bad sides I can add some:
- very unstable interface (soft ver. 10D);
- many false signals, because of unstable static mode of detection - such technology use some Chinese detectors from 90-s;
- the depth identity does not work, because with such technology  it is impossible receive right value of the depth. System of Golden King just associate the base with depth values with two parameters of the signal - the strength and size of the signal. It is fake depth identity, we have receive the values more then 70 cm for the objects with real depth - 15 cm;
- maximum depth - 3,5m for sands for very big object. This depth and even more possible to get also with GPX4500 or Explorer SE with coil 18x15" or 21x17". We have asked Nokta many times to make test for maximum depth (8m or even 6m) - they does not agree to make such tests because they know that for the ground - it is only 3-3,5m for very big objects;
- batteries brake very often;
- discriminator work good only on the air;
- it is impossible to separate two closely signals with this detectors (but it is possible with all others) minimum dimension between two objects must be more then 40cm!!! - if it so, detector can separate type of the metal and draw two 3D signals, but if dimension between coin and the iron - 30cm!! it shows you one 3D signal and give wrong information regarding type of the metal;
- 3D is just marketing movement - this visualization does not has any information instead of amplitude of the signal and suspicious information regarding dimension of the signal. Such system does not have linkage with space, it even does not has any accelerometer - only quartz that measure time of pushing the "confirm" button, so you need to know the right speed of scanning and always scan with this speed. If you want to receive long 3D signal from pipe - you can scan just a coin and at the third scan stay under the object 6-7 seconds, Cheesy it is simple algorithm;
- very big and unwell-founded price for such simple detector with OMAPx controller;
- uncomfortable work with this detector if you work alone because of such construction;
- automatic ground balance is very timeless;
I can write some more, but I think thats enough.

I-m very sorry for all who have this device because they didn-t know better variants of detectors by lower price.







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« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2009, 06:08:56 AM »
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Divarnet, thank you for your views. There is no need to feel sorry for this Nokta owner because he is very happy with the field performance of the unit. In fact the NGR has become my main detector, and my Discovery TF900 is now my backup machine. It is perfect for cache hunting. 2-3meters depth is what I need, and so far the machine has proven itself to be reliable and stable in both hardware and software.

However, I believe that no single detector can suite every field condition and different kinds of targets/goals need different detectors. I have never hunted single coins before, so it was with great interest I read your pdf file on the SEF coils. The greatest depth in the review was 17 inches on a crotal bell. That is too shallow for my needs. Have those Detech coils ever gone deeper on larger objects in your experience, and can they detect cavities?

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« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2009, 05:24:26 PM »
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Detecting the cavities is back side of induction balance (IB) devices which have static mode. For metal detector, cavity can be found only on mineralized ground, so device that work in static mode and track ground balance - can detect cavity. But same signal can be from some metals. Also static mode is very unstable for regular search - this mode effective for pinpointing. If you want to use this mode for regular searching - prepare for often false signals.
Also the depth of detecting the cavity by IB metal detector - very small (1m for good ground condition).


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