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« Reply #110 on: May 20, 2013, 05:35:31 pm »
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     Just out of curiosity, what DOES constitute proof since it is highly unlikely that we are going to uncover a judicially witnessed video tape of the proceedings?   Besides even witnessed under oath have been known to lie.
     There are limits to how much faith can be put into newspaper accounts.   However, scholastically, newspaper articles from the period are considered relevant sources especially when an original printed copy or microfiche version has been consulted.   

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« Reply #111 on: May 20, 2013, 06:10:07 pm »
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Just out of curiosity, what DOES constitute proof since it is highly unlikely that we are going to uncover a judicially witnessed video tape of the proceedings?   Besides even witnessed under oath have been known to lie.
     There are limits to how much faith can be put into newspaper accounts.   However, scholastically, newspaper articles from the period are considered relevant sources especially when an original printed copy or microfiche version has been consulted



BA, This is the problem when doing research, Finding so many brick walls, But some of the biggest set backs are caused by people adding their own version of accounts which makes it harder to stay on track, which is why other peoples Versions are good as a theory only basis, and the real place to start is back at the begining

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« Reply #112 on: May 20, 2013, 06:34:36 pm »
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Between you and me, I don't put a lot of faith in Journals and memoirs either.....at least when it comes to the author's role in significant events.   (now on the little actions like what he/she ate and whether or not he/she hid his/her money, those I'll pay attention---but for the other, history is full of people taken credit for things others did and/or belittle or ignoring the people actually responsible)---but unless the author is shown to be consistently unreliable, journals and letters are usually consider to be good first source academic/scholastic references.   Trouble is, unless you have a time machine in your back pocket it's kind of hard to get "back at the beginning" without relying on newspaper accounts (from the time), letters, journals, and "eye witness" accounts.

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« Reply #113 on: May 20, 2013, 06:59:47 pm »
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Just out of curiosity, what DOES constitute proof since it is highly unlikely that we are going to uncover a judicially witnessed video tape of the proceedings?   Besides even witnessed under oath have been known to lie.

Mostly something that wasn't discovered last week in granny's attic, BA. Something in the Library of Congress which so far hasn't been a source of any information. Most of the stuff they "find" as proof could easily have been created two weeks ago and made to look old. Even using old paper and ink is easily done. The aging isn't hard either.

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What we thought: 150 years ago
By From the editorial archives of Sauk Valley Media
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The Gazette
May 16, 1863

What we thought? Not what we KNOW. There's a huge difference. Not only that, mate, bur you haven't offered anything original in 3 years now. Everything is cut and paste from previous posts. Like I said, every time you guys get together, you create another fake story and then set up teams to create some "evidence" which you conveniently find. Utter nonsense. All of it.

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« Reply #114 on: May 20, 2013, 07:06:41 pm »
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Yes BA, the answers are often lost within the rest of the Text that is used to fill out the pages, If we only quote that text that relates to the principal subject and totally ignor every commer and full stop and only then will we not clutter the road to a minor step forward,

I admire these folks passion but that same passion often clouds their judgement, Very much so like the first few posts on this Topic seem to be more of an issue than a discussion

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Look, guys, you can stop jumping all over me.    An examination of previous posts will show that I am EXTREMELY skeptical of all things KGC related.  However, intellectual honesty required a clarification  to the blanket statement:  "The fact that a News paper printed it puts in line with Elivs being seen down at the mall and the tails of DB Cooper and only because the papers lie,".   If near contemporaneous newspapers are not acceptable because "newspapers lie", then we have a intellectual duty to clarify what we consider an acceptable alternative to newspapers....which is something GD did.   

As for finding fault with the "What we thought: 150 years ago" headline....common that's a pretty common type of article heading when a modern publication is republishing a story from a much older publication---especially when the modern article is done a "fluff" piece.    BUT academically it would have been far more appropriate to source the original 1863 article rather than the 1913 "This the way things used to be article".



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Not only that, BA, but the derivation is what they THOUGHT about, not was was. The result of thinking in a group is a dubious one. Do they believe they are psychic?

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Knights of the Golden Circle Traces Expansion of Nineteenth-Century Secret Southern Society

Based on years of exhaustive and meticulous research, David C. Keehn’s study provides the first comprehensive analysis of the Knights of the Golden Circle, a secret southern society that initially sought to establish a slave-holding empire in the “Golden Circle” region of Mexico, the Caribbean, and Central America. Keehn reveals the origins, rituals, structure, and complex history of this mysterious group, including its later involvement in the secession movement. Members supported southern governors in precipitating disunion, filled the ranks of the nascent Confederate Army, and organized rearguard actions during the Civil War.

The Knights of the Golden Circle emerged in 1858 when a secret society formed by a Cincinnati businessman merged with the pro-expansionist Order of the Lone Star, which already had 15,000 members. In 1860, during their first attempt to create the Golden Circle, several thousand Knights assembled in southern Texas to “colonize” northern Mexico. Due to insufficient resources and organizational shortfalls, however, that filibuster failed. Later, the Knights shifted their focus and began pushing for disunion, spearheading prosecession rallies, and intimidating Unionists in the South.

According to Keehn, the Knights likely carried out a variety of other clandestine actions before the Civil War, including attempts by insurgents to take over federal forts in Virginia and North Carolina, and a planned assassination of Abraham Lincoln as he passed through Baltimore in early 1861 on the way to his inauguration. Once the fighting began, the Knights helped build the emerging Confederate Army and assisted with the pro-Confederate Copperhead movement in northern states. With the war all but lost, various Knights supported one of their members, John Wilkes Booth, in his plot to assassinate President Lincoln.

Keehn’s fast-paced, engaging narrative demonstrates that the Knights’ influence proved more substantial than historians have traditionally assumed and provides a new perspective on southern secession and the outbreak of the Civil War.

David C. Keehn is an attorney from Allentown, Pennsylvania, with a history degree from Gettysburg College and a juris doctorate from the University of Pennsylvania.

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« Reply #118 on: May 22, 2013, 08:12:27 pm »
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Its easy to see that you have no clue what research is or how to research. You post post after post of nonsense from other web sites like your the great researcher of the KGC when in fact all you have ever add is seconded hand info with points that can't be fact checked.

I bet even the biggest skeptic here has more original research on the KGC then you and your kool aid maker Texas Jay
Remember what I always say   " If you believe everything you read you are reading to much " Do some original research and post that for a change.


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Now you know I love the old diaries and journals  heck I have paid big bucks for a few but must agree with you the writer often only writes his side of the story.

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Your current crop of supporters is citing circulating evidence generated by other members. Repeating it ad nauseum does not make it any more true than it was when first written. It is all speculative and notional. Not evidence or factual information. One day, I do hope you will learn the difference.

The moon is made of copper. <= Is that evidence? If 25 people repeat it over and over again, is that now evidence? According to your gang, it is.

Thus, the moon is made of copper.

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