Has Anyone Ever Found Knights of the Golden Circle Treasure?

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	Like I said before, GoldDigger, I know what I know, I've seen what I've seen, and I have found what I have found regarding KGC treasure and no amount of arguing or "helpful advice" from you or anyone else can change these facts. Believe it or not, it doesn't matter to me.  I'm only interested in communicating the truth about the Knights of the Golden Circle and their massive treasure to those who want to enjoy the search and the possible rewards as I am enjoying them. ~Texas Jay

How can you know the truth from documents that are written by someone dead for nearly a century? You certainly can't interview them nor can you verify a single thing they wrote about actions where they were not present. The mind boggles at how easily treasure hunters can be led down the garden path by their own imagination.

As I said before, I am not a believer nor a disbeliever. What I seek is TRUTH, not supposition based on a document that is 140 years old.

As an example, take something from that document and locate conclusively where it occurred. Prove it somehow and offer the proof here and I will become a believer. At this moment, I neither believe nor disbelieve because the facts are still not in. Just because a book is old or written by a contemporary of the people of the time doesn't mean it is true and factual. Wishing it to be true is exactly the same as wishing the Yamashita treasure is true.

What you need is more research, mate. You need more things to prove each alleged fact. I wish you well, but, as anyone who has hunted buried treasure for real knows, the path is NEVER written down for the public to see. As soon as this book went to publication, it is clearly not fact.

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NC-Dirty-Digger,

There is a lot of speculating going on here in this thread over a diary written more than 140 years ago and published by someone other than the original writer. As anyone who writes knows, there is a lot of information that can and will be changed during the transcription of a diary with opinion added by the person doing the transcription. It happens all the time and those who use such documentation as reference must be aware that it is not a primary source document when it is rewritten. If the original diary pages are available for comparison, that would be wonderful. Even better, if they were available and there was a comparision of handwriting it would add to the provenance.

What this forum needs is people with thicker skins. When someone challenges a conjecture like I do, it should bolster the desire to find the facts and present them. Instead, it causes a withdrawal and worsening of the conjecture. This "I know what I know, I've seen what I've seen" statement above is what I am talking about. There could never be a clearer demonstration of double talk than that.

There never will be any proof offered. Only old texts and guesses. There's nothing wrong with that to some degree but this isn't an Indiana Jones movie. It's real life with real rattlesnakes and real dangerous places to search and very evil people out there who would take that treasure of yours when you find it. Thus, I feel compelled to ask the hard questions here. As I pointed out in one of the Yamashita threads, if there is a snake getting read to strike you, should I warn you or let you get bitten?

The people in these forums are not the same actual people I have sat around campfires with discussing treasure but they are the generation of today who are doing what we did years ago. Around the campfire there were heated arguments and discussions about the treasure we were seeking. But nobody had the forced civility of these forums even when it is not deserved. You may not think so but I am always civil. But I am also brutally honest and I appreciate it when someone is the same with me. I have thick skin, toughened over the yeas.

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John Surratt?s diary was a fictional novel, written by an author known for writing dime store novels. The author, Dion Haco, is known for writing fictional novels in regards to President Lincoln, Lincoln?s assassination and conspiracy theories. Simply put, Dion Haco is not known for writing historically correct scholarly papers, reports or books.

It should be easy enough to ?prove? the book is not a novel, by supplying a peer-reviewed source that others in academia support this theory.


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Jay,

This is discussion. Keep that in mind.

I read the article. There is a lot of speculation in it. Statements like "Lots of people have ideas" and "I think" are not proof or provenance of the caches found. Try and apply the same provenance to these caches found as those that are required of a wreck diver. A can of coins? A jar of coins? Who can prove their origin? Thousands hid them during the Depression or in the 1800s.

These are the telling statements in the article:

"There certainly was an organization called the Knights of the Golden Circle," McPherson allows, noting the group sought to spread slavery by annexing territory in Mexico and the Caribbean in the years before the Civil War.

But once the war began, "the story becomes pretty shadowy," he says.

"My guess is that as the war went on, its reality kind of shaded over into myth," he says.

The items found have not been proven to be KGC treasure although Bob Brewer is convinced it is. His convictions, no matter how strong, are not provenance. This is the crux of the matter entirely.

I am sure you won't see what I mean about proof because you so desperately want to believe. The article is poorly written journalism that leads to an incorrect conclusion by readers.

This statement, by Jim Weaver, is just a claim without evidence presented.
"He says he's seen evidence "beyond any possible shadow of a doubt" in Oklahoma."

If I swear to you anything I want without showing a lick of proof, you'd believe it? Not likely. Why do you believe these statements? There's no proof being presented at all. Just testimony with winks.

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Yikes!

Still nothing but conjecture, Jay. Somebody is convinced? There is no evidence except a snuff box and guns in that report you quited. Wow. Nobody but KGC members had those? Are you serious?

And I am not advising you on how to moderate a thing. I am simply enjoying an exchange of ideas. Your investment in this subject is way too emotional. Back off and examine the facts. So far, I have seen nothing except guesswork. Have you ever read any books by Eric Von Danikan? He writes in much the same way. Lots of conjecture with absolutely no supporting evidence. Evidence being something like a gun with a serial number that was known to have been purchased by Jesse James. Something like that.

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