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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2009, 05:12:58 am »
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Hello Everyone . There is one thing I forgot on this subject . In the city I like to go to very old houses , so if the owner is not home and if your Metal Detector has a very accurate Target I.D. "that you have learned to trust" , you can simply sweep the property around the public sidewalks and utility easements "8 feet in from the street curb" , if you I.D something great then leave a note "Asking Permission" on the door and in the mailbox and come back later .
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Dang, that is a good idea. That will get you a step ahead of
just trying to knock on a door and ask permission. Knocking
on doors in a lot of places is a loosing proposition. This will
be as good as an introduction.

But, tha Right of Way strip width varies. For intance;

Say the street is 24 feet wide. The Right of way is 50 feet.
One half of 24 is 12. One half of 50 is 25.
25 feet of R/W, minus 12 feet of street equals 13 feet from
Back of curb to edge of R/W.

Now 24 feet is narrow, but common.

27 feet wide streets are more common. 27 foot wide street
in a 50 foot R/W leaves 11.5 feet from back curb to tha edge
of R/W. These are very common where I live.

Right of Way and street easements vary, and so do the width
of tha street.

So you can see, there a lot of possibilities as to how wide that
strip is.

You can usually tell by owner occupation of the area. By that,
I mean fences and plants and such.

Oh, by the way. I am a retired professional land surveyor.

Happy Huntin,

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« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2009, 05:57:22 am »
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I went to the tax office and found the persons name to the house abandoned house that I wanted to MD at.  Once I got his name I googled it to see if I could find him.  I found him- he died last December, he was an only child and now I am trying to find the next of kin.  I found out that 5 generations had farmed on that property.  Not sure how old it would be.

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« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2009, 08:55:53 am »
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I went to the tax office and found the persons name to the house abandoned house that I wanted to MD at.  Once I got his name I googled it to see if I could find him.  I found him- he died last December, he was an only child and now I am trying to find the next of kin.  I found out that 5 generations had farmed on that property.  Not sure how old it would be.


Talk about a bittersweet resolution. That happens to be sad news on top of the good news that you found the owner.

Next step now that you know he has died is to look to the probate court in your area to see when his will was processed. That will is now public record and you should be able to find next of kin that way. This really has turned into a quest for the holy grail for you. Hasn't it?

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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2009, 09:26:57 am »
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Dang, that is a good idea. That will get you a step ahead of
just trying to knock on a door and ask permission. Knocking
on doors in a lot of places is a loosing proposition. This will
be as good as an introduction.

But, tha Right of Way strip width varies. For intance;

Say the street is 24 feet wide. The Right of way is 50 feet.
One half of 24 is 12. One half of 50 is 25.
25 feet of R/W, minus 12 feet of street equals 13 feet from
Back of curb to edge of R/W.

Now 24 feet is narrow, but common.

27 feet wide streets are more common. 27 foot wide street
in a 50 foot R/W leaves 11.5 feet from back curb to tha edge
of R/W. These are very common where I live.

Right of Way and street easements vary, and so do the width
of tha street.

So you can see, there a lot of possibilities as to how wide that
strip is.

You can usually tell by owner occupation of the area. By that,
I mean fences and plants and such.

Oh, by the way. I am a retired professional land surveyor.

Happy Huntin,

Tabdog


Hello tabdog . The patch of Grass between the public sidewalk and city street that is usually 4 feet wide that goes for miles and miles and miles in almost every city across our country and should be " Open Season"  Shocked  . But like I said , stand out there and just sweep your machine while looking at the property owners front window , wave and smile then proceed to the front door . Watch out for pit bulls and then make your sales pitch .........This is a very good subject , because look at all the houses in our country that are old and many have never been checked by any metal detector. You are correct tabdog there is a legal formula to calculate the exact easement size [width] in front of every home owners yard . The funny thing is when the home owner cuts and maintains that patch of lawn he think's it is his , but it belongs to the city or county . One more very important thing to remember is hopefully power , phone and cable tv is buried more than 18 inches [ if the utilities are not aerial of course] !!!! Also , if there is a fence or gate in the front look for a mailbox to attach a note . And last "hopefully all the kids are at school" , if not they always ask a million questions and never want to leave  Shocked !!
Excellent topic Everyone .
HH.........Regards........Eugene

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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2009, 10:07:13 am »
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Hay Eugene,

There has been a lot of discussion about the street right of way.
People argue as to whether it belongs to the government or the
land owner.

But, it is a matter of law. No matter what detectorist say.

In some states, it is reconized as belonging to the city, county,
state or federal government.

In other states, it is reconized as the land owners, unless
it is state or federal.

Think about the meaning of the words " Right of Way "

By definition, that means the right to use someone elses property,
ie, the city, county, state or federal government uses the land owners
property for a road.

You can Google "right of way" and find the legal definition. Believe me,
I have been over and over it. The definition is several pages long, and
pertty complicated. But if you read it you will start to understand. To
complete the task, you will need to research the local law library to get
the state laws pertaining to street right of ways, then you will be up to
speed as to who owns the R/W strip.

None of this makes a big pile of spit.

The thing we need to be aware of is how we look to the public.

Digging in a manacured right of way is a touchy subject for the
guy that is mowing the grass and planting folwers.

Happy Huntin,

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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2009, 06:25:54 am »
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Hey everyone, thanks for your ideas. Things have picked up at my store so haven't had a chance to do anything. But business is better......sweet!!! Just heard on the news this a.m. that Ana is supposed to make landfall on the east coast of Fl sometime later next week.
Oh how I would love to go over there then! Lets just hope that there is just rain everyone needs and no damage. Ana is also being followed by a bigger system which will be Bill. Could be good searches coming up.
    Happy Saturday everyone!!!! Waveing

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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2009, 06:53:45 am »
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Hi Julie, Sounds like you could be on a fun site to detect. Going back 5 generations there is no telling what you might find. What area of the country are you in? I'm on the west coast of Florida.

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Hope you get the permission and make many nice finds at the location.

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Another thing to keep in mind when trying to find property owners is that a lot of the counties have online access to such information.  A google search may provide you with a searchable database of property owners in your county.  A county platbook can also be a handy item.

Good luck.

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« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2009, 04:19:55 pm »
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I've found that having a friend in city government can be very valuable when you want to search an old yard or property, in the city, for which an owner cannot be located.  In our town, the City often takes houses and property that the taxes have not been paid on in years.  Recently, I found an abandoned lot in our town that sure looked promising to me and so I inquired to my friend at City Hall.  After making a phone call to another department, he told me that the City had taken possession of it and that it would soon go up for auction in order to recover most or all of the taxes due.  As a result, I was free to detect the yard to my heart's content without anyone bothering me until the lot was eventually sold.   
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