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« on: December 18, 2010, 05:37:22 am »
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Hello All

Sometimes it does not pay to be honest. The following paper article from 1905 is a classic story of when to keep ones mouth shut, Even when you have have honest intentions. This is a classic case of two countries being greedy over a treasure which was found by a man who  rightly bought the item in good faith.

In 1905 a man bought an antique clock shaped like a silver apple. Inside the clock as he was cleaning it was a message about a hidden treasure. the treasure was hidden inside the clock that consisted a small fortune in gems.

The state seized the precious stones for themselves and another country claimed them even when the original owner was dead and had no descendants.

There was a legal case in Australia in 2009. a couple bought a suitcase in a second hand charity store in good faith. Inside was 100,000 dollars in a side compartment.  The Buyer found the money after purchasing the suitcase and said nothing.

The original owner was deceased but the family later realized their error and contacted the store. The Buyers of the suitcase was tracked down because they paid with a credit card. They were charged with theft.

Some times there is a fine line between right and wrong and finders are not always keepers.

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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2010, 10:14:28 am »
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Very true, Hardluck.  Unfortunately, in this day and age, it is best to keep silent or figure out a way to show your recoveries in a way that allows for anonymity to be maintained.  Fortunately, that is still possible for those who have a bit of knowledge and want to keep things private and secured.  Who knows how long that will continue.... Coffee

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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2010, 06:47:09 am »
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Laws need to rationalized to make it fair for all. I do not condone pilfering of archeological sites. Night hawking is helping sink a fairly reasonable system in the UK. But I think some locations should be fair game and all countries have a potable antiquities scheme where the state rewards the finder by an independent body assess the value of the treasure found. That said I believe it is the duty of the finder to observe a protocol in allowing and recording as much archeological information as possible.

Items bought in good faith and any finds in that item it should belong to the buyer, after all when a secondhand item is bought it generally accepted as buyer beware. The only exception is when the item was genuine stolen item.

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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2010, 07:32:09 am »
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I would not mind some type of UK system as long as it was "fair".  I just do not believe it is possible to be setup in a "fair" way though.  Politicians and archaeologists will put their two cents in and make it unfair.  Just the way it is in the world and so it dictates the way things must be...sad but true.  Lips Sealed

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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2010, 08:51:36 am »
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There is a case up by Cleveland Ohio a couple years ago where a contractor was working on a ladies bathroom. As he was tearing the wall out he noticed a wire hanging from the wall. Well he pulled the wire and up comes 2 strong boxes with $182.000 in depression era paper money. Most were rare bills. He calls the lady and heres where the trouble started. He says she offered him half. She says she offered him 10 percent. The original family members were contacted and it went to court. The contractor ended up with a couple thousand. She said he stole $60.000 out of her closet but never reported it. The family got nothing because she spent the rest.

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You could Google it and probably find more out about it.

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2010, 09:54:02 am »
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should rename this thread "MOST days it does not pay to be honest"

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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2010, 10:26:47 am »
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Yeah thats true Bomber

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In 1905 the state seized the precious stones for themselves and another country claimed them even when the original owner was dead and had no descendants

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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2011, 06:31:29 pm »
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I know several members of the British Goldpanning Association who boast that they are Nighthawks. I don't believe that most of them are (being a bit elderly, not that age is any bar, just that you can't always run faster the older you get), or to any serious degree, they just think it is cool to pretend to be bandits. However, there are some treasures which should be left alone. Freshwater Pearl Mussels to be precise.
Some BGA members, especially in Scotland are mad for these gems, but they are very frustrated and do a lot of damage, because only a miniscule fraction of mature mussels produce any pearls, and even these are usually too small to be of any real commercial value. So, I would advise the BGA to wind itself up, as its leading members, Vince, Kit and a few others who I only have nicknames for, are, I have to say it, criminals. They bring the treasure hunting community into total disrepute.
Perhaps the two organisations which represent the treasure hunting community in the UK should investigate the activities of the BGA. I will be glad to assist these bodies and the police in bringing these criminals to account.
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