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« on: February 17, 2012, 05:56:01 am »
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Hello All

Have a deathwish or some serious need of cash?

How about getting you hands on a cool 5 million?

Interested?

The following treasure legend. Is classic treasure story from the days of the British empire.

The following story has been almost lost to history.

It was only to be re-discovered by accident when through old newspapers dating back to 1902. Where some newspapers of the time mentions the following events. lt appeared in various newspapers around the world. Then quickly forgotten. Perhaps hushed up by an embarrassed British government.
 
After the massacre of General Gordons forces at Kartoum in 1885. The British government reluctantly took another expedition to retake the Sudan in 1898. General Horaitio Kitchener known as Lord Kichener. In one of his battles to retake the Sudan be was forced dump ammunition boxes of many thousands of rounds over the side into the River Nile.
 
Some of his men was a little too eager in dumping the amunition before Kichener discovered a terrible blunder that 2 amunition boxes did not carry ammuniion but gold soveriegns. I cannot imagine how much trouble those poor privates got them selves into? Grin I bet they were cleaning latrines for the rest of thier military careers. Grin
 
The ammuinition boxes contained 20000 gold English soverigns worth today about 5 million dollars and perhaps even more if they could be sold in conection with Lord Kicheners recapture of the Sudan?
 
Today the very Gunboat that tossed the treasure overboard into the Nile still exists in the Blue Nile Yacht club on the Nile. Looking very neglected like a ghost of itself.
 
The location where the ammmunition and soverigns was dropped near a bend in the river near a place called Shendy. It might be with the right equipment be possible to recover the items deep in the mud of the Nile? Would the boxes be still preserved in the mud in the bed of the river?
 
 It would be an amazing place to film a documentary and explore with a small team under an agreement with Sudanese government with the right contacts?

It may be an interesting adventure for those willing to dream a little.

But the mighty Nile river of ancient empires do not give up here secrets so easily.

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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2012, 10:09:30 am »
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good story any mention of why they had to dump ammo overboard ? those poor privates probably didnt know since they were ammo boxes  probly even said so on the box  bet they got lashes or had to dive in with the crocks to try to find it .

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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2012, 05:30:18 pm »
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Hello Grey Rider

It was a military executive decision after one of the British Armies final battle in the Sudan. Transportation of war supplies was more than efficent with the flotilla of river boats. Lot equipment was dumped because of the cost of transportation bringing it back. So it was decided the cheapest and easist way to dispose of excess amunition was to dump it into the Nile.

Well all privates know Comanders make mistakes and then blames down the chain of comand and the humple foot soldier pays for it. As proverbial sh-- runs down hill syndrome. If you are at the bottom you going to get it.

Interesting enough not that long ago a new bridge was built at shendy over the Nile. Before that there used to be a little punt car ferry. In the process of digging the foundations into the riverbed for the pylons, old bulliets were dreged up.

There was a possability that the vessel was movng at the time and the amunition was progessively dumped as the vessel sailed down the river?

If any thing it might be a good clue?

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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2012, 02:54:57 pm »
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Now that's an epic oops...  Grin Neat story Hardluck.

Question is was the ammo found of the right type and era? if so at least it provides a general area to scan. Hopefully someone noted details...

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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2012, 04:25:07 pm »
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Hello Idaho Jones

The amunition cartriges that was found was 303 rounds. Some amazingly were still wraped in remains of a belt after being buried in the mud and silt for over 120 years. The river boats of the British squadron at the time had Maxim Machine guns that were fed by 303 round canvas belts holding 250 rounds.

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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2012, 04:44:13 pm »
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 Nice story Hardluck. Just wondering was that 2,000 or 20,000 gold sovereign's  Cool

Posted on: February 21, 2012, 04:37:16 PM
Also I know a local with government contacts in South Sudan.  They may be useful for advice, but the treasure I presume is in Sudan, and the two countries aren't  the best of friends. Sudan would also be a great place for a bit of nugget  hunting if given permission from the government...

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2012, 04:45:22 pm »
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Hello Goldnboy

That was 20000 sovereigns

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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2012, 04:51:32 pm »
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 Hello Hardluck

 well if its 20000 sovereigns then I think the actual value will be quite a bit higher than 5 million  Cool So ill put my hand up for this one   Cool

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« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2012, 08:12:21 pm »
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Hello Hardluck

 well if its 20000 sovereigns then I think the actual value will be quite a bit higher than 5 million   So ill put my hand up for this one


Hello Goldnboy you are correct the value could possibly be nearer to 10 million dollars perhaps even more if the condition of the coins are in mint condition. Gold value alone is about $350 per coin. There some coins from that era are worth even more some may be up $1500 per coin depending on condition and rarity.

It is Still a proverbial needle in a haystack. The ammunition and coin could be spilled out over several miles. It might not look like a large area to search. But I  can almost guarrantee you it will look entirely different and much larger place to search  when sitting out there on a boat. The coin could even be buried under a large sand bank that sits lower down the river. A hard task because of at least 120 odd years of floods down the nile.

It is good to hear you have contacts in Sudan. There is some big developments such as oil and gas in the south. About two thirds of it belongs to china.



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« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2012, 11:22:52 pm »
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  Hello Hardluck   Im starting to wonder if it wasn't an inside job,  and the gold coins went to the hands of the men on board ??
 I'm thinking the gold would weigh more than the ammo also ? Wouldn't the men notice a difference in weight of the ammo box's ?
 
 Now if the gold did get thrown overboard, it could well be under a sand bank !? Interesting story, ill ask my Sudanese friend if he has any knowledge of these events  Cool 

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