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« on: January 30, 2015, 02:36:46 pm »
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watched a show about it last night on travel channel    expedition unknown    the show was a little silly but they had some decent stuff too   i think there is something to it they buried coins in a copper pail and carved a contract into the bottom of it it was found in the fifties i think  but there was more some at a place called robbers cave  and buzzards roost    said to be more  buried  look it up not sure if they have a sight but there is a J.J. museum in A town called Cement  Oklahoma   there is some good research and pictures and i saw some of the symbols people are talkin about Worth a look may shed light on your research if your on this subject or study the symbols & stuff possibly related  .

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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2015, 03:55:03 pm »
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I watched  the  same  show .  It was interesting .  I tend  to  think  what  ever was buried back then.
has already  been  found .  There's been  thousands  of  people  looking  for  it for years now.
but then   I  could  be wrong .


But if someone  did find the gold would  they make it public ? 

I know I  would  not !

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2015, 06:51:36 pm »
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Cement Okla.  is about a 6 hour drive from here. Let me know if I need to go down there. A good friend of ours claim's His great grandfather was Jesse. My friend has been on the history channel with his son and has been involved in proving Jesse was indeed his great grandfather... my buddys names are Chuck James and his son is Jeremiah James.   I do not know weather or not all this is true of my friends but there researching deep & have been for years...
 Well, it appears that a dirty little coward really did shoot Mr. Howard and
 send poor Jesse James to his grave.
 A History Channel documentary premiering Tuesday pretty much blows a
 hole like a Colt .45 round through Wichita museum entrepreneur Ron
 Pastore's theory that the legendary outlaw faked his death and peacefully
 lived to a ripe, old age as Jeremiah (aka Jerry Miah) James of Neodesha.
 DNA evidence, revealed in the documentary by Kansan Bill Kurtis, rules
 out a genetic link between remains gathered at a May exhumation of
 Jeremiah James' bones and DNA samples obtained from known
 descendants of Jesse James' sister.
 "We had a good sample," Kurtis said. "I think that's conclusive that
 Jeremiah James in Neodesha is not Jesse James."
 Pastore's Jesse James Museum in Wichita's Delano district is now closed.
 Artifacts obtained from Jeremiah James' descendants have been
 reclaimed by the family members because of a falling out between them
 and Pastore, said Chuck James of Neodesha.
 Chuck James has been the chief spokesman for the wing of the Jeremiah
 James family that believed their clan were the real descendants of Jesse
 James.
 And just as Jesse James never gave up fighting the War of Northern
 Aggression, Chuck James said he is not willing to let go of the belief that
 his great-granddad was one of the Old West's most storied outlaws.
 "I still believe he was," he said. "I've done the research."
 His belief is fueled by two cases of Jesse James memorabilia, found
 stashed away in the home of his great-aunt Daisy, Jeremiah James'
 daughter.
 The family discovered the artifacts and photographs when cleaning out
 her house after her death in 1975.
 "Now the question is: How did those artifacts -- which I believe are
 authentic -- how did they get in Aunt Daisy's trunk in that farmhouse?"
 Kurtis said.
 He added that he's concluded they were probably passed down to her
 from someone who was a collector, fanatically interested in the history of
 Jesse James.
 A disputed history
 For the moment, let's look at what nearly everyone agrees on when it
 comes to the legend of Jesse James.
 First, there is no disputing that there actually was a Jesse Woodson
 James, born the son of a Baptist preacher in Clay County, Mo., on Sept.
 5, 1847.
 As a teen, he and his family were brutalized by Northern sympathizers in
 the then-tumultuous Missouri-Kansas border region.
 So, with his older brother Frank, he joined up with Quantrill's Raiders, a
 band of Confederate guerrilla fighters who visited destruction and death
 on Unionist soldiers and civilians in Kansas and Missouri. He also served
 as a Confederate spy.
 After the war, Jesse James turned to robbing banks and trains, either for
 personal gain or maybe to try to finance a rebirth of the Southern cause
 -- or maybe a little bit of both.
 And there's absolutely no doubt he became a folk hero to many who, in a
 time of rampant corporate abuse of the populace, had no love for
 bankers or railroadmen.
 Traditionalists and revisionists part company about the time of his
 reported death in 1882.
 Traditional history says that Jesse James -- living under the alias Thomas
 Howard -- was killed by a single bullet shot to the back of the head as he
 stood on a chair straightening a picture at a rented home in St. Joseph,
 Mo. The home is now one of several James museums.
 The killer was Robert Ford, Jesse James' cousin and a James Gang recruit
 who turned traitor to collect a $10,000 wanted-dead-or-alive reward.
 The revisionist versions are pretty much summed up in the title of
 Pastore's two-part book: "Jesse James Faked His Death."
 They point to inconsistencies in the witness testimony of the time. For
 example, witnesses testified that only one shot was fired and that it
 punctured the wall after exiting Jesse James' head. The bullet was
 actually found lodged in the skull in a 1978 exhumation of his original
 grave at the family farm in Kearney, Mo.
 And, they point out, the bullet was a .38 caliber, not the .45 that Ford
 testified to having fired.
 Jesse James sightings started almost before the body was cold.
 At least three other possible Jesses have surfaced in the 121 years since.
 Any of them may have been Jesse James, at least, part-time.
 Most historians have concluded that some of the robberies originally
 attributed to the James Gang were copycat crimes, committed by others
 masquerading as Frank, Jesse and their accomplices.
 In fact, Jesse James added to his own legend by writing letters to
 newspapers denying involvement in some of the robberies committed in
 his name.
 Moving on up the trail
 Kurtis said he has come to the conclusion that the body now buried in the
 family plot near Kearney, Mo., really is that of the outlaw Jesse James.
 But, he said, no amount of evidence will ever convince everybody. "That's
 what makes it such a great story," he said.
 For now, though, he's through with searching for Jesse James.
 Pastore wouldn't talk about the DNA results until after Tuesday because of
 a nondisclosure agreement with the History Channel and Kurtis. He also
 was vague about his own plans, saying only that there would be an
 announcement about future displays of the James family artifacts after
 the TV show debuts.
 Chuck James said his family has reclaimed about 90 percent of its
 artifacts from Pastore.
 One day, he hopes to open a museum of his own or put the collection on
 display elsewhere in Kansas if he gets the right offer.
 He said he "ain't very happy" with Kurtis' documentary, which he found
 long on re-enactment -- mostly shot at Wichita's Old Cowtown Museum --
 and short on materials he provided to the filmmakers.
 Still, he said he plans to hold a special screening of the documentary --
 with the History Channel's permission -- at 3 p.m. Sunday at the high
 school in Neodesha.
 "You got to take what you got and go with it," he said.

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Holy cow  that's  a  lot  to read.

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That's just a chapter of my friends life. If you knew our friend like we do, Listened to the story's he has to tell, you'd understand his enthusiasm. We've known Chuck for 20 plus years and he has been trying to prove the relationship between Jesse and his family ever sense we've know him.

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We'll  I wish  him  luck. The way I understand  people  all over  the  country  are trying  to  do  the same .

Posted on: January 30, 2015, 10:38:14 pm
Besides  you got to  remember  I have  a  short  attention  span .   Grin

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maybe the treasure is true  because jesse james was a robberer in the wild west days maybe the treasure right now is worth 36million

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I bet they buried so much from all the robbing they had to forget where some was.


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I bet they buried so much from all the robbing they had to forget where some was.


Regarding any potential treasure, they didn't steal that much. They stayed on the run most of the time and barely managed to eat, never mind bury any loot. And, if you look it up, you'll find the insurance records show that almost all of it was paper money, which they could easily travel with and spend. Back then with gold at $20 an ounce, to steal $1000 would require 50 troy ounces of gold which actually weigh about 3.5 pounds. Rumors of them getting away with $30,000 in gold means they would be carting around  105 pounds of gold, nearly as much as a small man weighs in dead weight. Loading a few bags with that much gold would take more time than they spent in any single bank robbery.

There is so much evidence against any serious money being stolen that professionals don't even consider looking for anything. Gold? Nonsense. Paper money? Rotted away by now for sure. You are welcome to pursue it and even discuss it but at this point, try to make some serious attempt at accuracy so we don't have the newbies trekking all over the place looing for a will o'the wisp.

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gold doesnt rot even on the run paper will after being wet a few times the old stuff probably did wisp away the fact gold is  heavy on lends truth that they most likely buried some  at least what they couldn't carry  the companies they stole from were embarassed the gang loved that  i am sure and companies  probably either inflated amount stolen or deflated amounts that were . who knows i encourage folks to look they took the risk to to get it and could have gave alot of the paper away they werent fools even they knew paper would rot and they  may have went to extremes to try to store or stash it places were it wouldn't  they could store meat we all know how fast it rots   i bet they at least tried before  they could get back to it or have someone else retrieve it. one things for sure if your lookin or  not lookin you probably aint gonna find it but it was a free country who am i to tell folks not to i say research and search  and i hope you find it  whether your just starting or been doing it your whole life  

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