JESSE JAMES TREASURE in Oklahoma
GREY RIDER:
watched a show about it last night on travel channel expedition unknown the show was a little silly but they had some decent stuff too i think there is something to it they buried coins in a copper pail and carved a contract into the bottom of it it was found in the fifties i think but there was more some at a place called robbers cave and buzzards roost said to be more buried look it up not sure if they have a sight but there is a J.J. museum in A town called Cement Oklahoma there is some good research and pictures and i saw some of the symbols people are talkin about Worth a look may shed light on your research if your on this subject or study the symbols & stuff possibly related .
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Karl:
I watched the same show . It was interesting . I tend to think what ever was buried back then.
has already been found . There's been thousands of people looking for it for years now.
but then I could be wrong .
But if someone did find the gold would they make it public ?
I know I would not !
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Cement Okla. is about a 6 hour drive from here. Let me know if I need to go down there. A good friend of ours claim's His great grandfather was Jesse. My friend has been on the history channel with his son and has been involved in proving Jesse was indeed his great grandfather... my buddys names are Chuck James and his son is Jeremiah James. I do not know weather or not all this is true of my friends but there researching deep & have been for years...
Well, it appears that a dirty little coward really did shoot Mr. Howard and
send poor Jesse James to his grave.
A History Channel documentary premiering Tuesday pretty much blows a
hole like a Colt .45 round through Wichita museum entrepreneur Ron
Pastore's theory that the legendary outlaw faked his death and peacefully
lived to a ripe, old age as Jeremiah (aka Jerry Miah) James of Neodesha.
DNA evidence, revealed in the documentary by Kansan Bill Kurtis, rules
out a genetic link between remains gathered at a May exhumation of
Jeremiah James' bones and DNA samples obtained from known
descendants of Jesse James' sister.
"We had a good sample," Kurtis said. "I think that's conclusive that
Jeremiah James in Neodesha is not Jesse James."
Pastore's Jesse James Museum in Wichita's Delano district is now closed.
Artifacts obtained from Jeremiah James' descendants have been
reclaimed by the family members because of a falling out between them
and Pastore, said Chuck James of Neodesha.
Chuck James has been the chief spokesman for the wing of the Jeremiah
James family that believed their clan were the real descendants of Jesse
James.
And just as Jesse James never gave up fighting the War of Northern
Aggression, Chuck James said he is not willing to let go of the belief that
his great-granddad was one of the Old West's most storied outlaws.
"I still believe he was," he said. "I've done the research."
His belief is fueled by two cases of Jesse James memorabilia, found
stashed away in the home of his great-aunt Daisy, Jeremiah James'
daughter.
The family discovered the artifacts and photographs when cleaning out
her house after her death in 1975.
"Now the question is: How did those artifacts -- which I believe are
authentic -- how did they get in Aunt Daisy's trunk in that farmhouse?"
Kurtis said.
He added that he's concluded they were probably passed down to her
from someone who was a collector, fanatically interested in the history of
Jesse James.
A disputed history
For the moment, let's look at what nearly everyone agrees on when it
comes to the legend of Jesse James.
First, there is no disputing that there actually was a Jesse Woodson
James, born the son of a Baptist preacher in Clay County, Mo., on Sept.
5, 1847.
As a teen, he and his family were brutalized by Northern sympathizers in
the then-tumultuous Missouri-Kansas border region.
So, with his older brother Frank, he joined up with Quantrill's Raiders, a
band of Confederate guerrilla fighters who visited destruction and death
on Unionist soldiers and civilians in Kansas and Missouri. He also served
as a Confederate spy.
After the war, Jesse James turned to robbing banks and trains, either for
personal gain or maybe to try to finance a rebirth of the Southern cause
-- or maybe a little bit of both.
And there's absolutely no doubt he became a folk hero to many who, in a
time of rampant corporate abuse of the populace, had no love for
bankers or railroadmen.
Traditionalists and revisionists part company about the time of his
reported death in 1882.
Traditional history says that Jesse James -- living under the alias Thomas
Howard -- was killed by a single bullet shot to the back of the head as he
stood on a chair straightening a picture at a rented home in St. Joseph,
Mo. The home is now one of several James museums.
The killer was Robert Ford, Jesse James' cousin and a James Gang recruit
who turned traitor to collect a $10,000 wanted-dead-or-alive reward.
The revisionist versions are pretty much summed up in the title of
Pastore's two-part book: "Jesse James Faked His Death."
They point to inconsistencies in the witness testimony of the time. For
example, witnesses testified that only one shot was fired and that it
punctured the wall after exiting Jesse James' head. The bullet was
actually found lodged in the skull in a 1978 exhumation of his original
grave at the family farm in Kearney, Mo.
And, they point out, the bullet was a .38 caliber, not the .45 that Ford
testified to having fired.
Jesse James sightings started almost before the body was cold.
At least three other possible Jesses have surfaced in the 121 years since.
Any of them may have been Jesse James, at least, part-time.
Most historians have concluded that some of the robberies originally
attributed to the James Gang were copycat crimes, committed by others
masquerading as Frank, Jesse and their accomplices.
In fact, Jesse James added to his own legend by writing letters to
newspapers denying involvement in some of the robberies committed in
his name.
Moving on up the trail
Kurtis said he has come to the conclusion that the body now buried in the
family plot near Kearney, Mo., really is that of the outlaw Jesse James.
But, he said, no amount of evidence will ever convince everybody. "That's
what makes it such a great story," he said.
For now, though, he's through with searching for Jesse James.
Pastore wouldn't talk about the DNA results until after Tuesday because of
a nondisclosure agreement with the History Channel and Kurtis. He also
was vague about his own plans, saying only that there would be an
announcement about future displays of the James family artifacts after
the TV show debuts.
Chuck James said his family has reclaimed about 90 percent of its
artifacts from Pastore.
One day, he hopes to open a museum of his own or put the collection on
display elsewhere in Kansas if he gets the right offer.
He said he "ain't very happy" with Kurtis' documentary, which he found
long on re-enactment -- mostly shot at Wichita's Old Cowtown Museum --
and short on materials he provided to the filmmakers.
Still, he said he plans to hold a special screening of the documentary --
with the History Channel's permission -- at 3 p.m. Sunday at the high
school in Neodesha.
"You got to take what you got and go with it," he said.
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Karl:
Holy cow that's a lot to read.
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That's just a chapter of my friends life. If you knew our friend like we do, Listened to the story's he has to tell, you'd understand his enthusiasm. We've known Chuck for 20 plus years and he has been trying to prove the relationship between Jesse and his family ever sense we've know him.
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Karl:
We'll I wish him luck. The way I understand people all over the country are trying to do the same .
Posted on: January 30, 2015, 10:38:14 pmBesides you got to remember I have a short attention span . ;D
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spinnergun:
maybe the treasure is true because jesse james was a robberer in the wild west days maybe the treasure right now is worth 36million
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GREY RIDER:
I bet they buried so much from all the robbing they had to forget where some was.
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GoldDigger1950:
Quote:Posted by GREY RIDERI bet they buried so much from all the robbing they had to forget where some was.
Regarding any potential treasure, they didn't steal that much. They stayed on the run most of the time and barely managed to eat, never mind bury any loot. And, if you look it up, you'll find the insurance records show that almost all of it was paper money, which they could easily travel with and spend. Back then with gold at $20 an ounce, to steal $1000 would require 50 troy ounces of gold which actually weigh about 3.5 pounds. Rumors of them getting away with $30,000 in gold means they would be carting around 105 pounds of gold, nearly as much as a small man weighs in dead weight. Loading a few bags with that much gold would take more time than they spent in any single bank robbery.
There is so much evidence against any serious money being stolen that professionals don't even consider looking for anything. Gold? Nonsense. Paper money? Rotted away by now for sure. You are welcome to pursue it and even discuss it but at this point, try to make some serious attempt at accuracy so we don't have the newbies trekking all over the place looing for a will o'the wisp.
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GREY RIDER:
gold doesnt rot even on the run paper will after being wet a few times the old stuff probably did wisp away the fact gold is heavy on lends truth that they most likely buried some at least what they couldn't carry the companies they stole from were embarassed the gang loved that i am sure and companies probably either inflated amount stolen or deflated amounts that were . who knows i encourage folks to look they took the risk to to get it and could have gave alot of the paper away they werent fools even they knew paper would rot and they may have went to extremes to try to store or stash it places were it wouldn't they could store meat we all know how fast it rots i bet they at least tried before they could get back to it or have someone else retrieve it. one things for sure if your lookin or not lookin you probably aint gonna find it but it was a free country who am i to tell folks not to i say research and search and i hope you find it whether your just starting or been doing it your whole life
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