Maximillians Millions
jbailey:
Update:
Well the treasure was sent from Mexico during the month of March. Ol' Max was killed in June 19th, 1867. And here is the first snag in this story:
There was no Fort Concho at this time. Fort Concho was not Commissioned until December of 1967. Before that it was Ft. Chadbourne located about twenty five miles north. Fort Chadbourne was a very small and failing camp with little clean water and food stores ( it was however on a railroad line). It wasn't until Lt. Kelly was sent south in Augest to find a new spot to make a camp that the head of the Norte Rio Concho was chosen. Lt. Kelly became ill on this journey and later died (Sept from Typhoid Fever). A letter was sent on September 28 to San Antonio requesting permission to move the camp to the Norte Rio Concho. The requested name of the camp was Fort Kelly in honor of the fallen officer. It wasn't till November that the army informed them there was already a Fort Kelly so the name would be Fort Concho. With the permission they set the first stones of the first building in December.
Black and O'Connor were treasure hunters in the Gap. However, they were part of hundreds that came out to the Gap saying that received a treasure map on someones death bed. One rancher wrote that not a week went by that someone didn't show up and say they had that map. He would charge them five dollars to take them out to some wagon remains (wagon irons were common in this well traveled area).
So far in my search of the local fort and historical library. I have found nothing that would prove that this story was even possible.
Next Step?
~j
CORRECTION _ FORT CONCHO WAS FOUNDED IN DEC 1867 not 1967
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Idaho Jones:
Thats some good detective work. With the dates lining up mostly after the fact one would have to find something tangible to make pursuing this lead worthwhile. In my opinion this story was probably enhanced by locals cashing in on treasure hunters or melded together with other treasure tales.
If we assume that the treasure hasn't been already recovered then I think Carlotta is a key factor to look at. Each story seems to place her travelling over land or by boat with something traumatic causing her insanity. I still have a hard time believing the treasure would have travelled alone so if we find where she really went there may be some other clues.
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foolsgold:
still working the denton county side of things here...pulled the 1850, and 1910 census's, with no black or o'connor(again, checked several variations, ie, o'conner, conner, connor, etc..) on either.
couldnt find any other census' for denton county at the time
i did however find a land abstract noting a "Reuben E. Black" as owner of a property in Denton county, but there were no dates listed on the copy, it was titled '....original land owners in texas' and from denton county
as i have some more time, i will start looking into Reuben E Black!
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Idaho Jones:
Here are a few more names to poke around with.
PILOT POINT COMMUNITY CEMETERY,
Pilot Point, Denton County, Texas
Burial Audit
The history of the Pilot Point Community Cemetery goes back to the 1850's.
It is located on North Prairie Street within the northeast city limits of
the city of Pilot Point, Denton County, Texas. The earliest recorded burial
is that of James McAdams, a two year old infant, who died in 1854. There
are three named sections to the cemetery; The I.O.O.F. section which was
established in the 1850's, the Masonic section established in 1875, and the
Yarbrough section established in 1920.
The cemetery has been cared for by several organizations over the years;
the I.O.O.F., the Knights of Honor, The Ladies Cemetery Association of Pilot
Point, Masonic Lodge #270, and currently by the Pilot Point Community
Cemetery Association, which was incorporated in 1990. An annual Homecoming
and Decoration Day is held every year on the first Sunday in May. The
Association's address is P.O. Box 65, Pilot Point, Texas 76258.
PILOT POINT COMMUNITY CEMETERY (Surnames A - G)
Burial Audit
LOCATION IN CEMETERY
NAME BIRTHDATE DEATHDATE ADDITION SQ BL LT GR
Black, Ada V. 1877 1902 Masonic 2 3 3 6
Black, Clara Boxley Jul 15, 1881 Sep 13, 1980 Yarbrough 11 4 6 6
Black, Della Sep 10, 1867 Dec 9, 1881 IOOF 2 2 9 6
Black, Henry - 9 Months Masonic 2 3 3 5
Black, John D. Dec 23, 1869 Jul 18, 1891 IOOF 2 2 9 3
Black, L.E. Mar 1, 1843 Jul 3, 1909 IOOF 2 2 9 1
Black, R.F. Mar 10, 1837 Jan 11, 1889 IOOF 2 2 9 4
Black, Stella May 12, 1880 Aug 29, 1885 IOOF 2 2 9 5
Black, Tilden H. Aug 22, 1876 Nov 9, 1900 IOOF 2 2 9 2
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No O'Conners or close listed at all.
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hardluck:
Hello All
Well done all with the resaerch.
But I cannot help thinking we are flogging a dead horse here so the Speak.
Its not to say that there is no treasure at Castle gap. But I doubt in light of all the hard work every one has done, that there is any evidence to support that early story in regards to Maximilien treasure.
Castle gap is a natural choke point for travelers and is perhaps an ideal area to look for hidden caches anyway. But I do not think you will find anything related to Maximilien.
Unless some thing more definite is discovered.
First rule of treasure hunting research it. Cant prove its existence, get over it and move on. Leaving it on the back shelf as Idaho Jone puts it.
And move on to the next legend. ;D
Hardluck. ;)
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Idaho Jones:
Agreed, to many pieces of the story don't add up, names, dates, places. At least in regards to Max's gold.
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hardluck:
Hello All
Here is another shinning example of what makes an interesting forum. Priceless contributions by many people that has brought this topic to a logical conclusion.
The Topic has become an information gold mine for anyone wanting to research the castle Gap treasure.
A shinning example of what can be achieved.
Well done with all who contributed.
Hardluck.
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cuirava:
wow,thats a lot to it...providing that the tresure is finaly located and it is found in Texas
how can it be claim,being so large? isn't Texas law of antiquity of over 100 yrs old burried
objects, when found belong to the State ...or is it some loop holes or corners to take?
Sorry it just occure to me. Tnkz
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seldom:
objects, when found belong to the State ...or is it some loop holes or corners to take?
Its called keeping your mouth shut.
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Victorio Peak:
I thought I would add this to your topic. Letha, Doc Noss's stepdaughter told me numerous stories about Doc's feelings regarding the origin of what he found. She said he found a wooden box that had metal corners with three locks on the front of it. Stamped into the center was the word "Carlota". From that moment on he was convinced that the Noss treasure, at least part of it was Maximillian's. At other times she mentioned Doc bringing out a box full of european mail, which he promptly burned. He felt it may show ownership in someway. But the biggest item that is recorded, in the only video interview of Ova Noss, is a crown. As she stated it, it had 250 diamonds and one pigeon blood ruby in the center. This crown was placed in a foot locker and Doc and a friend stashed it in the Caballos somewhere. Now, I have a photo that has been in the Noss family archives since the 1940's. No member of the family can validate if the photo was taken by Doc or if it came out of a book. This is unclear but it does match her story. If you look at paintings of Carlota this crown doesn't seem to match. Just another mystery.
cheers,
-alex
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