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« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2011, 05:18:52 pm »
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hi whizzkid,
i doubt very much that anything will be found above victoria, dont have the dates to hand, but prior to the current victoria this now sits on top of the old town...as there was a huge landslide , which took out half the mountain. its also said the old stone / emblem of the seychelles is buried underneath all that lot...as you will know victoria has changed considerably in past 20yrs. as has the shore line..what with reclaimed land to form islands, the reef is shot and highly unlikely to return...even that monstrosity of a dual carriageway they built? why? personally i think your right with the national park bit, and its just up over the mountain from bel ombre...i myself lived up on the mountain ridge at the national park area prior to it becoming declared a national park, its a derilict ruin now. no road to it, 15/20min walk up , beautiful just beautiful.
you made reference to luc pdf....it is very interesting and useful...especially the tamarind tree info...and if you been in that part of mahe, tamarind is in abundance.as is a few other nice spices, i remember back in early 70`s once the goverment realised what came from poppies they came up and torched the lot growing around the house.
on another note totally not to do with this but in that area near port launey...get talking to the old folk those old enough to remember...you will find another interesting story. originating from france..i would post the story here but , it was quite a bold statement from an old man who died bout 15yrs ago from that area to say. probably just a tale.
anyway, back to your interest, as you probably been to port launey..research the guy who owned the land prior to the national youth training centre using it.i think some international hotel group has bought the land now....anyway this guy was seriously wealthy and that whole small bay area was his...also an almost perfect place to anchor ship out of site.where the old house use to be is a hill going round the coast , this is said to have some um um fuel for thought areas to it.
further down the road from port launey you end up where the youth service re located and out of bounds to joe public...this i have heard has now been given to the U.A.E. united arab emirates.which will have its own jurisdiction (sorry cant think of word am looking for ..sigh)

anyway good luck on your hunting, and as i have found on this site...listen to those who have been there done it etc, there a lot of very educated, wise folk on here who do an excellent job and their wealth knowledge is very useful and practical, throwing suggestions, or perhaps think this way as opposed to that way...all valuable info which you should take with you on your hunting.i have.
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« Reply #41 on: June 04, 2011, 06:27:59 pm »
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Hi all,

Does anyone know the origin of the solution key to the cryptogram (reffering to the picture in the main post from Christian)?

Also, does anyone have a good idea of what the numbers stand for? There is a small text above them, but I can't see/understand what it says (maybe someone speaking French can). I have seen web-sites suggesting that some signs can represent either numbers or letter, however the number zero is in that case missing.

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To be honest, I only scanned this thread but though this was funny!

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« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2011, 07:03:52 pm »
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is there a hop scotch code to follow?

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« Reply #43 on: June 07, 2011, 02:54:26 pm »
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whizzkid24;
The author you're looking for may be Robert Charroux. He seems to have written several books on the subject in the 60's, also describing the cryptogram and the key / alphabet.

Homefire;
well.. thanks, but my question regarding the key is more of where the particular piece of paper comes from. One gets the impression that it is written at the same time as the cryptogram it self, maybe when filed in a library. Anyway, the numbers is a mystery to me. The marked letters are the most frequent ones, except from 'M'. However if that's the purpose, the numbers are placed in the wrong order.

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« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2011, 05:17:57 pm »
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a you tube clip for seychelles treasure

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Posted on: June 14, 2011, 04:14:31 PM
and one of these would be helpful  Smiley

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and finally,
 this is the guy who owns, owned moyenne island...i love his style  Cool
he has since signed the island over to be part of seychelles national park.

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« Reply #45 on: July 05, 2011, 01:45:19 am »
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Hi all,

I found a picture on a site, which at a first glance looks like a cut-out from the cipher, however studying it more closely it is not. Most of it is identical to the photo-copy at wikipedia and other places, but the following differs: the end of row 3, the beginning of row 4 and the end of row 5.

Does anyone know where this come from? Is this a joke, or is the published cipher not complete?

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« Reply #46 on: July 05, 2011, 03:18:34 am »
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Hello Cpt

I think it would do your self better service to hunt down the oldest version. Most of what is on the net is copies of copies.

If you look for 18th, 19th century documents you look at the whole story much differently than what the story is presented today.

The issue I have is no mention of the cyrptogram before 20th century.

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« Reply #47 on: July 06, 2011, 05:09:05 pm »
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been skimming through a book called myths & legends of our new possessions & protectorate , published 1900....
it has always been said on here to try find oldest form of info to help for truth or hoax...or if the story has been twisted out into a new one.....perhaps the following may be a way of building one new story on this virgin of the cape, goa , laden with jewels etc..

The Church in Porto Rico


If the Spanish colonies have been immoral, it must be granted that they
have been religious. This fact has made them easier to govern, for the
words of the priests and friars have been accepted as divinely inspired
at times when, as a matter of fact, they have been inspired only by the
governor or the garrison colonel. The church in the colonies is nothing
like the modern and American institution that we know. It is a survival
from the Middle Ages. Yet it has shown shrewdness in Porto Rico,
Cuba, and the Philippines, its prosperity proving that the Spaniard
can be a thrifty mortal whether he wears a monkish cowl or a military
uniform. Much money has been demanded by the church, but much of it has
been honestly spent in the beautifying of altars and the dressing of
the statues. Our Lady of the Remedies, in the Church of La Providencia,
San Juan, for example, wears a cloak worth fifteen hundred dollars,
and is emblazoned with twenty thousand dollars' worth of jewels; but
then, she is the patron of the island. The priests have been quick to
see an advantage in benefits or disasters and have often impressed
the natives by lessons drawn from natural phenomena. Thus, in 1867,
a conspiracy for the overthrow of Spanish rule had been organized,
and violence was hourly expected: but on the eve of an uprising the
island was shaken by an earthquake. The priests made the most of
this, assuring the natives that it was a warning from heaven never
to interfere with Spaniards; so the insurrectos stealthily laid down
their arms and stole away to their various substitutes for employment,
leaving their Lexington unfought.

In one way this willingness to keep out of fights has been a
bad thing for the island, because insurrection became a matter
of business with some of the natives. They used it as a mode of
blackmail. These insurrectos would throw a wealthy planter into a
state of alarm by pretending to hold meetings on his premises. He knew
that if the authorities got wind of this it might go hard with him,
for if he were suspected of being a member of a lodge of the White
Saber or the Red Hand, it could mean imprisonment, perhaps death;
so he paid the revolution something to move on and occur on some
other man's land. By levying thus on fear and policy a few members
of an alleged junta managed to live quite comfortably without work,
and it is whispered that the padres of certain villages received
their share of the reluctant tributes.

Porto Rico has been the place of abode of some noted fathers of
the church, including two martyrs who were canonized by Pius IX. as
saints: Charles Spinola and Jerome de Angelis. They left Portugal
for Goa in 1596, but having been blown far out of their course,
they put in at this island to repair their ship, and there for two
months they preached with success. On their return to Lisbon they
were captured by English pirates, who treated them kindly, however,
and set them safely down in London. They reached Portugal eventually,
and ended their work in Japan, where the people killed them. These and
other saints receive the prayers of the people on stated occasions,
for in Porto Rico the saints have not only their special days, but
their special crops, and guard them from special injuries. Thus, the
farmer prays to St. James, it is said, when he asks for deliverance
from tobacco-worms, while he must address St. Martial if he wants to
free his field from ants.

Of the holy hermits who have resided on the island, several have
dwelt in the caves where Caribs or Arawaks buried their dead, but
the best-known shrine is that of Hormigueros. The Church of Our Lady
of Monserrate, which crowns a hill and is a conspicuous landmark,
is said to have been copied from the chapel of a Benedictine
monastery in Barcelona, which is famous in Spain for its statue of
the Virgin, carved by St. Luke and carried to Barcelona in the year
50 by St. Peter. The Monserrate church was founded in 1640 by a poor
farmer. He had been ploughing over the hill-top, though weak with
fever, and before he could finish his work he fell to the ground
exhausted. After he had partly recovered, and had gone back to the
plough, he turned a tile up from the earth, on which was engraved a
portrait of the Virgin, and no sooner had he taken this object into his
hands than his pain, his fever, his lassitude disappeared. Convinced
that the relic was sacred, he carried it to his priest, and on that
very day he gave the land he had ploughed for a votive church. It
has become the best known sanctuary in Porto Rico, for the large
painting of the Virgin, copied from the smaller portrait on the tile,
is just as potent as the original in curing diseases. In the last
half-century a hundred miracles have been performed, and the silver
and golden arms, legs, ears, eyes, fingers, feet, livers, and hearts
that have been given to the church, in thanks and testimony, amount
in value to sixty thousand dollars; for a patient who has been cured
or helped is expected to send a little model, in precious metal, of
the part of him that needed mending. At intervals these offerings are
melted up for the altar service and decorations, and few churches in
America have such resplendent candlesticks, chalices, draperies and
vestments. The altar is of silver plates, and the gold cross upon
it weighs thirteen pounds. Pilgrims to Hormigueros go from all parts
of the West Indies. They are lodged, free of charge, in an old house
behind the church, each cripple or invalid receiving a bed and chair,
but no food. The pilgrims must supply their own sustenance. On entering
the church, in procession, they are sprinkled with water from the
Jordan, and then kneel before the cross, where the cures are worked.






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« Reply #48 on: July 09, 2011, 11:27:06 pm »
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Hi Hardluck,

I totally agree with you, we should make conclusions based on facts and not 'legends'.
However, have you considered the possibility that the cipher wasn't written by Levasseur?
I have seen several persons claiming that, but again no hard facts..

I believe that the key is wrong or that the cipher is damaged (accidentally or intentionally) or maybe the cipher is a fake (however, in that case it has been very well constructed). As the interpretation is almost unreadable, it also must be for who ever it was addressed to, which makes me think that it is wrong.

So cracking the cipher would answer the question if it was written by Levasseur or not. On the other hand, cracking it gets much harder if one can not assume certain things, such as language, time-period nor the author. So if we find anything that points to something else than this story it could be a clue to crack it and prove that it has no connection. (Which would be some kind of success, even if it is a more boring answer..=) )

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« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2011, 04:38:42 am »
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Hello All

Wuzneme thank you for information on church movements.There is no doubt churches in the new world generated vast profits for the church in Rome.

We could possibly imagine 3 different senerios.

1. The cipher is a 20 century hoax.
2. The cipher actually came from Le Buse.
3. Or the Cipher came from some one else.

The trouble is which has historical supporting evidence?

Fact: In all of the pre 1900 documents see to dated there was no mention of the cipher in the Le Buse story. In the earliest versions of Le Buse story there was not mention of a firey cross at all? None of the earlier accounts mention him tossing treasure documents saying find my treasure who can? into a crowed at all.

What if this alleged document was not connected to Le buse at all?

Captevil: There might be a possible connection to the story a Andre Bernardin Nageon de L'Estang. He died in Port Louis in 1750. his decendants lived on until about 1816. He is the person behind the legend of a pirate called L'Estang? Some legends connect him to Le Buse?

What role or what connection to the alleged ciphers he has is a mystery? Unless the orginal ciphers show up. Until know we have unverified copies of copies.

A mystery indeed.

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