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« on: October 26, 2011, 07:15:48 pm »
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During the 1860's Wells Fargo reported 313 stage coach robberies, that netted thieves $415,000.00.  That's an average of  $1,325.87 per hold up.  In todays dollars that over $23,000.00 per holdup.  I have a small company and $23,000.00 is in line with a typical  small business payroll today so to see the average $1,325.87 is in line, which is fact according to Wells Fargo.   So the question is why are the stories of hidden loot hidden from a holdup is around $80,000.00, if the average holdup netted was $1,325.87 which by the way in todays dollars is around 1.8 million dollars.  A $1,325.87 hold up is more like the real amount. 
With that said there are hidden loot from holdups.  We just have to be real to the amounts hidden which for any of us would be a treasure to find no matter what the amount.
I came across by accident a written diary of a holdup that took place in Colorado during the 1860's from a pioneer.  I am searching records but cant find anything of this stage holdup.  Is there a place on the internet that would give a record of every stage holdup in Colorado.  I have come across web sites that have the same few robberies that are just copies of each other, but is there a site that lists all the stage robberies in Colorado.   Your direction would be appreciated.

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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2011, 07:26:17 pm »
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Just to be clear, you are looking for a website OR a book which is the Colorado equivalent of this book on Arizona Stage coach robberies, right?

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Posted on: October 26, 2011, 07:25:19 PM
By the way......that book is good enough, and I've checked it out often enough that I'm actually looking for a copy to add to my library.

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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2011, 07:49:50 pm »
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thanks for the direction.  It will be good to check it out and give me more direction to research.  The pioneer diary of the account has to be solid.  I cant see any reason why someone would make that up and put that in their diary in the 1860's.  I just need more information on the stage name, and other other facts where I can research newspaper accounts and hopefully find other pioneer diaries.  One good thing is which for me at least is a good thing is that the area is national forest except for a small area which is private.  I know you cant remove things from a national forest, but at least here in Utah, it is a whole easier  to go hunting in a national forest than it is go get permission from many of these ranchers.  Out in the middle of no where there are some big ranches that have been in the family for over a hundred years and its almost impossible to get permission.... or at least it has been for me.  Smaller ranches, it has been almost no problem.  Deep down they just laugh at me but hopefully Ill have the last smile.    Thanks again for info..

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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2011, 04:38:54 pm »
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If there are any locations mentioned you should be able to isolate the stage line name by the route and date of the robbery account. That might open up some search leads.

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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2011, 04:46:49 pm »
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Do you know the names of any of the towns near the site of the holdup?  If you can find them you might be able to go to the archives of the town's newspapers and see if there has been anything written about the robbery when it happened.  Libraries are also a good place to look for newspaper archives.  The local library might be tied into the State library system and they may be able to help you find some information on it also.   Good luck with your search!   Detecting

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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2011, 10:00:09 pm »
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the date recorded in his diary was 1863 but I am wondering if he was not off a year or two.  He started his diary later in life and was catching up in his diary of his life as a young man up to this point.  He lived with with his family in Fairplay Colorado which from what I have read was a mining town. His father was always gone working and he lived with his mother, and sisters as well as his Uncle who had lost a leg in an accident.  They had a small farm and tried to make a living. 
What I don't know if the robbery from a stage coach robbery or a payroll robbery from the mines. On his spare time after his duties were finished he looked for the gold from the robbery.  He named the area where he searched which from the topo maps I have searched I havent found, which tells me it was a name that they used for that location which sounds logical.
In my small town where I grew up we has a placed we called green's hill,  and everyone in town knows it but you would never find that name on a topo map.
My next search to to locate other diaries that would either talk about the robbery or give more direction as to names of locations.
Since his father was often gone and he was working the small farm with his mom sisters and Uncle, I cant see him traveling a long distance to search for the stolen gold, but somewhere close by where he could search on his spare time, yet be available for his mom and sister.
Any help as to resources on the internet or books that lists stage robberies i could read would be appreciated.  This would be a starting point to see if it was a stage, or a payroll from the mines in the area.

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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2011, 10:35:17 pm »
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News Papers from surrounding areas?   Some may have survived.

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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2011, 10:07:34 am »
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This wouldn't be the Fairplay to Ute Pass Stage that got held up near Como, would it?  The robbers got chased to the Clifford area where a gun battle ensued.   That would have been 1862.   I'd suggest checking the Leadville, Colorado papers for that time period (fortunately for you, the current Leadville paper traces its publication back to that period.)    There are quite a few local history books on the Leadville/Fairplay/Breckenridge triangle (Lake, Park, and Summit counties).

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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2011, 11:42:34 am »
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The Espinoza gang was operating near Fairplay in 1863 according to this site.

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Perhaps they had something to do with it.

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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2011, 02:35:38 pm »
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Here is another gang led by Jim Reynolds which operated out of that area in 1863 and preyed on the mine wagons. Not many specifics on robberies but it includes a list of members.

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Posted on: October 28, 2011, 01:34:28 PM
Here is a link to a searchable free archive of Colorado historical newspapers.

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