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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2011, 10:22:19 PM »
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BA,

The stage line, or the source  was not mentioned in the diary, only that there was a robbery and he spent his spare time looking for it.  This was one of the things I was trying to pin down first. Was it a stage, or a mine payroll.

 Its interesting that you mention  Como Colorado, because  many times he mentions Como but not in direct relation to the robbery.  I am more inclined to think that the robbery your referenced to and the date of 1862 is the robbery you wrote about is the one mentioned in the Diary.  I have never come across Clifford in his diary but like I said, I am more inclined to believe that this could be the robbery he talked about.  Do you have any more information on what you know about this robbery and places I can look at beyond the Leadville Newspaper which is going to be a great source to stare the research?

Idaho Jones thanks for the source on the Jim Reynolds gang.  Ill check out any leads and information on this.  Like I had said in a earlier post, I cant see a pioneer writing about this in his diary if it was not true.  I appreciate all of your posts.

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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2011, 09:29:48 PM »
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Your welcome spanishgold. I've been looking into some stage robberies for quite a while and I know how frustrating it can be as so little was written about some of them. It became so common as to almost be beneath notice unless lives were lost. Good luck in your search!

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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2011, 06:57:11 AM »
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Here is a link to the Wells Fargo Historical site.

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  Few years back they helped me find the name of a driver I was looking into. Want hurt to email them and see if they can help.

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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2011, 01:16:24 PM »
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thanks,, for that wells fargo link.   I just figured that wells fargo would keep their mouth shut about information, or names.  I could not imagine they would want to give help so that I could find their money that they wont see.
Ill contact them to see what I came up with. 

  With some firm dates and names with some previous posts that were sent to me over the weekend I did find an old newspaper article.  It was an article about a man that had died in the 1930's that was a young boy of 14 in Como Colorado at the time of the robbery. The article has titles "last man to know where the loot was hidden has died" The robbers stopped by their house in 1863 and had  or should I say forced her to cook food for them.  He said he knows the area that the money was hidden or should I say the area they everyone thought the money was hidden.  He mentioned the gulch.  The gulch in my diary is a different name, but I am sure it is in the same area.  The newspaper article just said that he was reluctant to give more details before his death which I thought it was odd, but he did say that the robbery when down just has the history books wrote, which all of them were killed. ( Finally its good to hear a story where all of the robberys are killed and it turns out to be true).  I also located another interesting article written in the 1880's in the same same general area, where the man quoted in the article said  that this gulch has more buried treasure than anyone could imagine, if only some one could find it and get permission to hunt.  It sounds like its on private property at least at the time of the article in the 1880's.  The diary which I saw mentions the gulch where the money was hidden, the man who died in the 1930's who saw the robberys and his mom cooked their food mentioned in the article the name of a different gulch where he said money was hidden, and the article in the 1880's mentions the name of a different gulch where he says money is hidden, and its all in the same general area.  And to top it off  Topo maps dont mention the names of these gulches except for one which is the mans opinion in the 1880's article .

Thanks for all of your comments and any help would be appreciated.  Each commented I get from you guys I seem to find out more, which is the name of the game.   There is going to be 4 feet of snow up their soon, so this is a good lead to research during the winter, and if there is anyone who wants to take a break and team up that would be great.  I have learned the hard way that it gets to exciting to go out and hunt with your detector and waste time and gas, where as more should be done on research  where X marks the spot and your go there.  Dont forget the pirate treasure that was found off the east coast.  One of the Kennedys had done research and had put an X on the map and said this is where the pirate ship is located.  He never followed up and another treasure hunter found the map which from what I read was common and said, why not and went to X and sure enough they found the pirate ship from one of the Kennedys, that had found it but never went for it.    thanks again for your help...


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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2012, 05:07:26 AM »
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Hello Spanish gold

Looks like you have a good project here to dig a little deeper into. Excuse the pun. Grin

Its good to see you are taking a systematic approach to research the story?

I wish you success.

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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2012, 07:41:07 PM »
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Here's a twist worth considering and/or pursuing........it seems that at least some of the stagecoach robberies, especially the ones where the "guilty" parties supposedly got off with more than seems reasonably possible for them to haul away, may have actually been been conducted to cover up real thefts that actually occured before the coach left the station.   The loot actually garnered from the stage robbery would have been whatever the passengers had on their person and maybe a few stray late packets of valuables---but the box itself would be empty except for rocks or similar dead weight, having been emptied by the station master and his co-conspirators before the the box was loaded onto the stage.   Rumor has it that the stage robberies in the Tombstone--Bisbee, Arizona supposedly involving Doc Holliday were of this type---and in one occassion the strong box actually broke open showing that it was full of rocks.   Further, the local Wells Fargo agent for Tombstone AND the Earps all found it necessary to live Tombstone in a big hurry a couple of days before a Wells Fargo inspector showed up to investigate.   The former Wells Fargo agent even sold his profitable business in the middle of the night for a fraction of what it was apparently worth.   It also seems that at least one old-timer in the region supposedly saw Wyatt Earp poking around in the area several years after he had moved to California.  A few weeks after Wyatt's visit, an old, empty Wells Fargo box was supposedly found a bit out of town in a remote area. (Reference Brewery Gulch: Frontier Days of Old Arizona--Last Outpost of the Great Southwest by Joe Chisholm who was a kid in Bisbee when these events were occuring.  His father was a JP in Cochise county and both were active in the two communities).

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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2012, 02:27:50 PM »
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That makes a lot of sense BA. Good thinking.  Smiley



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« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2012, 03:05:50 PM »
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Hello All

Some great stuff being posted here Great

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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2012, 03:40:30 PM »
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Holy cats that some good reading, and mind twister too. Plauseable and truthfull sounding. Well done bitburg

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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2012, 04:20:07 PM »
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Great followups to the original postings on here!  Gives a person a lot to think about and apply to even some of the local stories and legends of stage robberies, etc.  Thanks guys!  Keep it up!                  Detecting

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