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« on: May 27, 2012, 07:54:00 am »
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No data on the Legendary lost mine of the Jesuits, Tayopa?

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« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2012, 11:04:03 am »
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« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2012, 01:49:18 pm »
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G'morning Gold digger :  First,  let's go out into the patio for coffee, it is cooler out there.

You have an excellent point.  There are no of Tayopa mines listed in Mexico.  I am referring to the one made famous by F Dobie in Apache Gold & Yaqui Silver. The one that the Jesuits worked until the Indian uprising of approx 1630.

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« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2012, 08:45:31 pm »
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Hello Don Jose de La Mancha

Her is some thing that might be of some interest.

Henry O' Flipper did some extensive research into the mining camp Real of Our Lady of Tayopa. He allegedly found a Spanish document in 1911, dated 1646 titled "A true and positive description of the mining camp Real of Our Lady of Tayopa. By the Reverand Father Guardian Fray, Francisco Villegas Garsina y Orosco, Royal vicar General  of the Royal and Distinguished Jesuit Order of Saint Ignacio. He gave a detailed inventory of mines and treasure.

Henry O' Flipper was unable to follow up on his research as he was transferred to South America.

in 1842 Indian hunters Captain James Hobbs and James Kirker claimed to have found an ancient abandoned village near the headwaters of the Yaqui river.

In 1927 C B Ruggles and the writer Frank Dobie was approched by a man called Custard that possesed documents copied from orginals belonging to Father Domingo, the parish priest of Guadalupe de Santa Ana.

The three allegely made a deal and searched for the ruins but was it seems unsuccessful. Later Dobie wrote of the story in a book. From there the story became more widely known.

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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2012, 10:34:26 pm »
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Thanks / gracias hard luck

A side thingie, flipper was only responsible for finding the "Tayopa lies 10 days to the Sunset on March the 7th, from la Cerro del Campana in Chihuahua" document.  See atttachment

I have tons of documentation etc on Tayopa.  wanna swap stories  etc.?

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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2012, 11:10:27 pm »
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Don Jose de La Mancha

Thank you for the interesting document.

It would be my pleasure..

Another interesting story is Ruggles allegely believed that Measa campanero was a altenative name for Sierra Obscura.. Ruggles and party spent several days searching for 2 small hills called Cerritos chapos and there was susposidly two Guerigo trees nearby. However in their  search they found  nothing. Had they mis interperated the directions?

However they did come across a Opata rancher called Perfecto Garcia who showed them a old parchment called " Conocimento de Tayopa"

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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2012, 05:39:35 am »
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Good morning hard luck:  Coffee?

The dos Ceros chapos data is correct. See attachments

The Mesa Campanero and the Sierro Obscuro are the same, West of Yecora.

Dobie never was at Tayopa. 

The story of Ruggles and the blowing of the horn to locate Tayopa are correct, so is that of the grizzly, same area. South end of the Mesa Campanero

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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2012, 07:02:27 am »
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Hello Don Jose

That coffee is looking good Coffee

An interesting point you made about Dobie not being with Ruggles. I always found the story Dobie told a little short in detail about Ruggles search. I could'nt understand why.

It is intertesting you mentioin that Flipper found a clue to the location of Tayopa?

On the 7th day of march stand on the summit of Cerro de la Campana, near the Villa de la Concepcion, and look at sun as it sets. It will be setting directly over Tayopa. Travel 8 days from the Cero de la campania towards the sunset of March 7th and you will come to Tayopa. Flipper I believe he discovered this statement on a document he found in Spain.

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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2012, 08:28:01 am »
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Good morning hardluck  More coffee?

Some Where I have a picture taken from the summit above Ocampo on the 8th of March.  You can see the  Sierra Obscura / Mesa del Campanero  (Bell Maker) exactkly where it is supposed to be.

This was the basis for my id Garu.  The sun is setting over the Barranca de Barbarrocas and  Tayopa.

More my friend,  you are doing excellent. Are there no others out there ?

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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2012, 08:50:17 am »
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Hello Don Jose

I need it as it is middle of the night where I am. Coffee

One version that I read somewhere that Ruggles was given several deterros one of which was allegelly used in an ill fated 1858 expedition. I do not know who took part in that earlier expedition?

Coffee brake for me  Coffee

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