Tayopa
Tayopa:
Morning Hardluck: Coffee as often as you wish, Mexican hill or Columbian coffee ? The pot is the large one for those that may wish to joinus. Lupita, my sexy maid, will serve.
I am not aware of the ill fated 1858 expedition at the moment, can you clarify it?
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hardluck:
Good morning Don Jose
Ah... I like your style..the coffee fine [great]
I was hoping you would know more about the 1858 expedition. The story that villagers allegely told to Ruggles was that in 1858 a party of treasure hunters went seeking Tayopa and was led by a Jesuit priest. They were all killed except for one man who surived marying into a local family. The villages told of other treasure seekers. It was from the villagers of Guadalupe Santa Ana that Ruggles alleagedly recieved some old derroteros that guided the 1858 expedition.
What happened to Ruggles after his search? Dobie's story falls short like if he had lost contact with him. It would be interesting to see if he had any jounals or documents somewhere?
One thing I noticed many names have changed on maps such as the name of the river and smaller villlages?
Hardluck
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Tayopa:
Evening Hard Luck: go have your coffee with the other readers first.
You rang a lost memory. I remember now, he was hidden in a cave by a gal who brought him food and water. Later he married her.
You know of course, that the original Tayopa was at the Guaynopita / Guaynopa zone.
Later, they found a richer zone, so moved their operation there. It was near Santa Ana, west of Yecora. They also brought the name of Tayopa with them for the new mine, and renamed the first one.
Even later they found the one of Dobies fame, and moved their headquarters there, calling the new mining zone "Guadalupe de Tayopa" and renaming the no 2 Tayopa "La Divina Trinidad".
This Tayopa remained in bonanza production until the Indian revolution of the 1630's when they closed it up and hid it so well that they themselves couldn't find it when they returned..
They continued to work the zone until they were expelled in 1767 for treason. They were plotting in collaboration with the Dutch, to take North America away from Spain.
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hardluck:
Hello Don Jose
Some very interesting comments. Did you ever search for the church mentioned in the 1646 inventory?
Hardluck
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seldom:
I have not post on this subject manly because I have little faith in the legend. Did the Jesuit work any mines in the area? Probably but they also either worked them out are someone in 1800's worked them out. Over the last 20 plus years several groups and/or hunters have claimed to have found the mines only to fade away like the claims made by the Dutch hunters.
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Tayopa:
Morning hardluck: Coffee first in the patio.
There only was a Capilla, Small Church. It was torn down by the Indians and time. See Dobies Map from his book.
You do not need a Cathederal for only a few hundred people. This picture is of the same design and orientated as in Dobies Map. Notice the small bell tower in front of the capilla.
And the Cato, which is the small room to one si de.
Rose and the other popular authors were err, ah, hmm, stretching their imigantion a bit.
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Save some coffee for me Jose :D or beer will do just fine.
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Tayopa:
Seldom, my friend: coffee, Tea, or a cooool lomeade?
You posted --> I have little faith in the legend
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So did I my friend, until I found that an American Engr.had purchased the Altar hand bell just before he died. It had Guadalupe de Tayopa cast in it's rim.
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You also posted -->Did the Jesuit work any mines in the area
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Yes, 18 smaller ones.
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You also posted -->but they also either worked them out are someone in 1800's worked them out.
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No, they were never opened up, or worked after the 1600 date.
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You posted --> Over the last 20 plus years several groups and/or hunters have claimed to have found the mines only to fade away
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I agree 100%
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Posted on: May 29, 2012, 12:23:40 PMSilver Searcher, any time day or night, the coffee lamp isalways lit. Welcome
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Quote:Posted by TayopaSo did I my friend, until I found that an American Engr.had purchased the Altar hand bell just before he died. It had Guadalupe de Tayopa cast in it's rim.
I would like to see more info on that if you have it Tayopa
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Tayopa:
G'Morning Seldom first, as is my custom, coffee or a coool Limeade in the patio.
You asked -->I would like to see more info on that if you have it Tayopa <-- referring to the hand bell.
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Of course my friend. I live in Alamos, Sonora, Ole Mexico. A friend of mine, a mining engr was working the tailing's of one of the Quintera mines in near by Aduana.
One day I heard that he had died, and went to his home to retrieve some of my books etc. that I had loaned to him.
His Majordomo, who was also a very good friend, told me that Yeager had purchased a hand bell with "GUADALUPE DE TAYOPA" cast in it's rim before he had died.
We searched his things but were unable to find it. A few days later the Majordomo showed up with a receipt for the Bell, Yeager had shipped it to relatives in Los Angles.
I promptly went on a campaign to find it, or more information, but was dead ended since the family themselves, while remembering that it had been received, had no idea who or where it might be, and actually had no interest in it or cooperating in looking for it.
`So, I simply stayed home, since for my purpose, it established that Tayopa had existed.
Post away Seldom my friend. I will try to clear up any questions that you, or the others might have.
Tayopa existed, and exists today.
Don Jose de La Mancha
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