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« Reply #100 on: January 26, 2011, 05:10:02 am »
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Hello All

My sources are from Uboatnet a website devoted to the history of German uboats of WW1 and WW2. They are fairly accurate and up to date. Not to say that they could not be in error.

There was 24 uboats sunk in 1940 during WW2 none of them being confirmed sunk in Bristol channel.

In WW1 there a submarine uboat U57 sunk on November 17 1917.

The Uboat U57 was depth charged by the USS Fanning an American Destroyer at 5132 north by 0521west. It is known that there was 2 dead but the fate of the rest of the crew was unknown. The U57 was commanded by Gustav Amberger and was responsible for the loss of 21 ships, amounting to 30906 tons.

Perhaps the alleged submarine was the WW1 Submarine?

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« Reply #101 on: January 26, 2011, 11:21:38 am »
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Hi Hardluck,

the information I have comes from "The Gower Coast", book by George Edmunds and I quote:

"Wreck No 78 - U Boat 1940
... The computer printout supplied by the Wreck section of the Hydrographic Department of the Navy give its approximate position as: Lat N 51 32 12.00. Long W 004 08 24.00. This would place it about half a mile of the Point. Despite many divers in the area, to my knowledge nobody has yet found and dived on this wreck. I am not surprised, as the man who sank it, Skipper George Lilley, RNR, was a lot further off Oxwich Point than half a mile when he did.
Patrolling in the Channel on Easter Monday 1940, he said the submarine rose right off his port beam. He put a shot into her and her bows rose vertically some 10 feet out of the sea. He fired another shot into the bows and the submarine sank like a stone. He regretted not being able to capture her whilst disabled, but felt ho could take no risk of letting her get away. There were no survivors. No Latitude or Longitudinal position unfortunately, but he did say he was 4 miles SE of Oxwich Point."

Perhaps this is the same skipper who was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross in 1940:

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Then the ship which sunk this U Boat would be HMT Kirkella:

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Posted on: January 26, 2011, 11:10:05 AM
P.S. In March 1940 there were three recorded U Boat losses, but none on 24.03 which was Easter Sunday in that year. The closest match would be U44, which is now listed as lost 13.03 but previously thought to be lost around 20.03
There is of course another possibility, that this U Boat was hit but not destroyed and somehow managed to return to base. Skipper Lilley was however certain of the kill.. Until solved it will be yet another Gower mystery Wink

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« Reply #102 on: January 27, 2011, 05:34:40 am »
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Hello Metal detective

Yes it is another intriguing mystery of the Gower coast. One of many historical mysteries along the coast. I cannot imagine the amount of shipwrecks there undiscovered.Perhaps one day some one will confirm with pictures or artifacts the identity of this alleged mystery vessel.

 The islands of the Bristol channel Steep Holm and Flat Holm have always intrigued me. It has been rumored that flat Holm had a small cave used from smuggling in the 19th century.

Hey Phil Harris and Metal detective have you ever detected along the coast near Dunraven?

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« Reply #103 on: January 27, 2011, 07:01:57 am »
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Hey Phil Harris and Metal detective have you ever detected along the coast near Dunraven?

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I didn't yet but it does look interesting. Trouble is that Gower offers so much that it's not easy to find the the time for anything else Cheesy
And you are absolutely right - the amount of undiscovered shipwrecks must be staggering. Unfortunately I don't dive so can only look for the bits washed ashore..

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« Reply #104 on: February 07, 2011, 03:05:38 pm »
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Hello All

Being an area where smuggling after the and during the Napoleonic wars was rife perhaps there are some goodies lost and forgotten in the nooks and crannies along the coast?

A fun place to explore in nice weather. Smiley

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« Reply #105 on: February 26, 2011, 07:08:40 pm »
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any chance,when your down nr the blue pool,and collect a few tele numbers off caravans advertising for hire,and pm, them to me,thanks

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« Reply #106 on: March 03, 2011, 06:16:51 am »
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When the weather gets better this sounds like an interesting dive?  Can you give me any further info just in case we actually get in the water?  We'll take a metal detector but any location details on where might be good to look would be appreciated.  ColinT

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« Reply #107 on: March 09, 2011, 05:29:52 pm »
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Hello Colin Have you read all of the postings on this subject. I think a few places have been mentioned

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« Reply #108 on: March 19, 2011, 06:29:45 pm »
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Hello Colin T

Goldnboy is correct. There should be more than enough details to get you started posted earlier. If you look back far enough you will even find a map of the beach.

Best of luck diving there as it is cold and murky.

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« Reply #109 on: November 27, 2013, 03:02:39 pm »
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looking to see if eny body nows of a ship that went down on the welsh coast in the swansea bay erea.called the eldorado witch sank in 1691

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