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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2010, 12:16:05 pm »
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That would make a person rich indeed.
Wow I have been looking for any reference to this and Hardluck you are right they covered it up well.  Sad I'm coming up with nothing.

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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2010, 08:55:21 pm »
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Hello Idaho Jones

Sorry I have not replied earlier I have been tied up with company tax and business projects dealing with a multitude of people on all levels on a multitude of projects.

However I have a few moments show you another article that may or may not be related to the earlier 1884 pirate raid. But much of this story does not add up .

I have a few names of stewards that were crew on the Mariposa that are suspect but I haven't the time at this  stage to follow it through.

I have got to be 40 places at once these days.

Hardluck  Huh?

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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2010, 07:06:28 am »
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No worries my friend Smiley just curious. Thanks for the update!
Very interesting indeed! I'm guessing you may be onto something there.

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« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2010, 01:45:23 am »
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Hello All

The last newspaper story may or not be related to the 1884 crime at at. But it does seem like a suspicious story as I cannot trace the name of the alleged shipwreck or the alleged location stated in the Pacific. There is a desolation Island in the Indian Ocean called  Kerguelen Island.

As quoted by the newspaper the story could of been a cover to hide the fact that they were on their way to Cuba as Mercenaries.

The fact remains that these raiders that robbed Honolulu were never caught either by pulling off the perfect crime or was allow to escape by design.

But perhaps the newspaper was referring to another island in the Pacific? Many Islands were given many names by different explorers. Some Island have 4 or 5 different names depending on what chart you have.



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There is one suspect that may be linked to the Invasion of Hawaii by pirates. Whoever they were they certainly had some form of military training. So who could of been behind the raid?

There is one name comes up again and again when there is a mention in American newspapers of a Filibustering expedition. General Butler.

Benjamin Franklin Butler (November 5, 1818 ? January 11, 1893) was an American lawyer and politician who represented Massachusetts in the United States House of Representatives and later served as the 33rd Governor of Massachusetts.

During the American Civil War, his administration of occupied New Orleans, his policies regarding slaves as contraband, his ineffectual leadership in the Bermuda Hundred Campaign, and the fiasco of Fort Fisher rank him as one of the most controversial political generals of the war. He was widely reviled for years after the war by Southern whites, who gave him the nickname "Beast Butler." or alternatively "'Spoons' Butler," the latter nickname derived for his alleged habit of pilfering the silverware of Southern homes in which he stayed.

It was in the Civil war that he fell from grace later changing into a hawkish Republican and a taste for command he was not above from profiteering from political situations. As a later Politician he hated the Monroe Doctrine of United States Neutrality in regards to affairs in other countries. The events of the French occupation in Mexico made him believe as well as others that America should take their place in the world and become a colonial power themselves. He as well of others in government helped changed Americas view on the Monroe doctrine.

This change in Policy led to the Warship Maine being sunk in Cuba leading to the American Spanish war, Later the American and Philippine war. However General Butler wanted America to be a Colonial power like the European powers who were engaged in colonial expansion of their own and was prepared to privately bank role filibustering expeditions.

The first country to fall to Americas colonial expansion was Hawaii an ineffective dysfunctional state run by an absolute monarchy. This raid of Hawaii humiliating the king showing how ineffectual the defenses were of the Hawaiian kingdom really was. Eventually these failings led Hawaii to be Annexed by the United States.

If General Butler was the mastermind behind the raid then perhaps it through him we could find the men behind one of the most daring filibustering raids in history.

One of the most brilliant military operations under the flag of piracy that very few people ever knew even happened.

Perhaps that is one of reasons why the United States Government officially apologized to native Hawaiians for annexing their country a century or so later.

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« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2010, 01:04:20 pm »
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How interesting. Some time back I ran across an article about him in a Texas paper, how he had been hiding under an assumed name or something. I agree he sounded like a likely suspect, but for some reason I felt the dates were off. I'll see if I can dig it up.

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« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2010, 09:10:40 pm »
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Hello Idaho Jones

Just to confuse things there are two General Butlers. Grin

 It is the first one who saw service in the Civil war... The second General Butler was active around the turn of the century and W1. Both were controversial generals.

The first general Butler is the prime suspect.

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« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2010, 08:06:05 am »
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It turns out my memory was a bit off, as it wasn't about a Butler at all, but a fellow named Kisane. Who also doesn't appear at all related to these events after I looked at the article again.  Cheesy
Sorry for the teaser  Embarrassed

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« Reply #27 on: August 09, 2010, 02:07:52 am »
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Hello Idaho jones

This General Butler was perhaps the the last of the great filibusters of American history. He was behind many things. Some where I suspect there is enough evidence to point the finger at him. Proving it of course is anther thing.

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« Reply #28 on: August 09, 2010, 11:51:30 am »
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Never know, finding a little evidence sometimes opens a whole new area of info  Wink



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« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2010, 06:39:42 am »
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Hello Idaho Jones

I am trying to locate general butler's memoirs to see if it leads anywhwere.

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