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« on: February 20, 2011, 12:20:46 pm »
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I live in the great state of Utah and was thinking of going down south to New Mexico away from all the snow to do some treasure hunting.  As I was reading about the spanish in New Mexico, and reading about all the "Lost or Hidden Gold and Silver" from the attacks of the indians, the more I am reading the history of the spanish in new mexico I am getting some doubts about any of it.
 From the history I have read, the spanish was looking for silver in New Mexico, not gold.  They priests would setup up missions and report back with tales of indians with silver ornaments and riches in their communities, which fueled the fire for expeditions.  Some of the mountain and desert areas of New mexico looked like the area north of Mexico City where huge amounts of silver were mined. That and the lies from the Priests setup these huge expeditions for the lost fabled cities of gold, and silver which I am having my doubts ever would be found.
All treasure leads must be investigated other wise its like using your metal detector in your bathroom hoping that you are going to find treasure in there where none exits.
I am hoping to find some feedback, from anyone knowing about the spanish in New Mexico or Arizona.  Its hard to doubt history, but I will admit I have only touched the surface investigating if the spanish did find silver and gold in the land of enchantment.   Any thoughts?

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« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2011, 01:00:21 pm »
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Living down here in Deming 30 mile from the boarder, We have tales.

In the Florida Mtns, I can show you a Old Rock adobe mission from the 1500's.

They was here.

Spanish Armor has been found stashed in the rocks.

A Gold Cross was Found.

Three Gold ingots that looked like they was formed in a Rock Crack marked with Spanish Proof marks were found.

The Florida Mtns are not Noted for Gold.  There is Gold but it's Slim Pickens alluvial.

No Major Riches.

No Stashes.

Not Long after that the Spanish Done Pizzed off the Indians and all Hell Broke Loose.

All Sanctioned Spanish Forays Ended.





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« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2011, 03:18:54 pm »
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i lived in El Paso for about 18 months and in Albuquerque for about 7 months when I was in my twenties.  I never did explore like I do now, but I love New Mexico.

I was going to do some research and  try to get the areas that would be the probable location of the spanish missions.   my hopes are not to find these tales of gold bars but I would like to find relics like you talked about.  That in its self would be priceless to find some armor, or sword. Have you had luck in your research for finding the old missions and trying to put together a trail system to connect the missions? 

Its these trail system where they would more than likely be camping that would be the key.  From the history they did make a lot of the indians angry with them and their behavior.  The only problem is when the indians did kill the spanish, they for sure would of taken their possessions.   At least I would if I were them.

I have been studying infrared photography and the methods that archeologist use to find ancient trails. It is so complex with using different layers of the infrared spectrum along with the perfect time of day, temperature , shadows, but  its something that I should have by springs.  Its an expensive way to go but worth it.

A final question... Is most of land private in New Mexico as you get out, or is it BLM like it is here in Utah?  Private land is very hard to get on to out on these large ranches where there is some history.

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« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2011, 03:44:25 pm »
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Its these trail system where they would more than likely be camping that would be the key.  From the history they did make a lot of the indians angry with them and their behavior.  The only problem is when the indians did kill the spanish, they for sure would of taken their possessions.   At least I would if I were them.



Why take a bunch of junk you don't want or need....especially when you have to travel fast and light?   For sure, somethings would have been taken---other things would have been left or destroyed.

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« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2011, 08:19:55 pm »
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I live in the Las Cruces area, and I have been looking at the Butterfield Stagecoach route, the old RR lines, and older mining maps on Menotamymaps.com.

There is an old fort that has been made into a Pecan Orchards just south of me. Lost of ghost towns.

Getting back to old missions, there is a mission roughly 1/2 mile from the house. While detecting property close to it, I found some old iron that leads me to believe the road has shifted 30 feet from its original position. I'm concentrating on the road to the mission.

I haven't approached the monks yet to do their property, I'm waiting to get a better detector and work out the bugs.

BLM is multi-use, but some folks act like they don't know that.

Your approach is interesting, what you will find is a lot of areas have been overtaken by new houses being built.

You know State Parks require a permit, and Certain lands are protected. BLM would have you remove nothing, more and more areas are being closed if you read their post on the BLM website.

I was in a site the other day that has what mineral/metal has been found, when, and where.

Good Luck on finding those hidden trails.

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« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2011, 01:45:07 pm »
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Just a follow up. I know of two recent finds not necessarily spanish. Both in town and separate finds. One was part of a sword. The other a gold coin. But I dont think the Spanish found much here. They were here, but probably was just a stop over to rest and water the horses. I did not see the coin or sword, but believe the source.

Records show a lot of mines. But only a few this way produced any great amounts.

If you seek gold in New Mexico, where the Spanish would by is my guess. There is a 100 mile wide band running from Hachita, to Sante Fe. Now in any direction, 100 miles(best guess) or less there has been some great finds. Lincoln National Forest, Oro Grande, Hillsboro, all still produce.

The state is littered with old abandoned mine sites. With luck you may find some relics there. Some of the sites are very easy to spot. Big rock piles in a line. Just know where your at and if anyone has claim or objection to you being there.

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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2011, 02:42:50 pm »
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Yes!  On the March from Mexico to Santa Fe, Water was a key travel target. 

Conscripted Spanish solders didn't give a Rats behind about the Kings issued armor if it came time to RUN!

Who in there Right mind is going to wear or even carry 60-80 lbs of steel armor when it's 120f during the summer.

You would save that weight on your horse for provisions and necessities.

By the 1500's  The word on how the Spaniards treated Native Folks already reached what is now New Mexico.

All but a few Tribes would have been considered hostile by the Spaniards.

Smaller Expeditions and Even Transportation Escorts of goodies from the North came with NO GARRENTIES on making it.

You have a good chance of finding Stashes close to any old reliable water holes from the time.

The Mission, I spoke of is just below a year round spring that is still running enough to have water crest (Not Native to the Area) growing around it's base.









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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2011, 04:00:17 pm »
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Im finding hand made cisterns occasionally. Did the Spainards use something like this? Pretty neat set up, and definately before modern plumbing. I know the Interstate running north is supposedly a trail. Also some ranches that way have reported finds. So would a cistern type setup be available to remote areas?

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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2011, 04:12:11 pm »
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Cisterns of the day were more for water catchments then the Poo type.

I doubt the Spaniards traveling  would have built them other then folks trying to make a go of life in that area.

A few hundred years ago, there was a whole lot more water in the rivers then now.

Native folks would have set them up if they could.







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Im finding hand made cisterns occasionally. Did the Spainards use something like this? Pretty neat set up, and definately before modern plumbing. I know the Interstate running north is supposedly a trail. Also some ranches that way have reported finds. So would a cistern type setup be available to remote areas?


While it's possible, I'm with Homefire in thinking that it is far more likely that they were made by Native Americans.   When the Swilling decided to bring water to the area near Ft McDowell that later became known Phoenix, he basically re-used Anasazi canals---as did most of the other canal companies in the area (at least until all of the very extensive network of Anasazi canals was used up).    Those folks knew the value of water in this climate and they knew how to catch and use every bit possible with the technology at hand.

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