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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2011, 10:16:42 pm »
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Heya Hardluck.

Perhaps the best source of documentation would be Siamese records? At one point in time the Siamese were rather aggressive in expanding their territories and had pushed their borders down south as far as Pahang. It may well be that their monarch used people with piratical inclinations to forward his ambitions, much the same way the English monarchy utilized privateers and issued letters of marque.

Another possible source could be the records of the Sultanate of Johor.

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« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2012, 04:22:37 am »
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Somes like a great idea. A good excuse as any to go to Bangkok. Hmmm National archives or national university library?

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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2012, 04:51:33 am »
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Heya Hardluck,

I had forgotten about this thread till just now. LOL. U should try both the nat archives and uni library. Made a quick call to a friend in Bangkok re: floodwaters. He says his office has been renovated after being under 5 foot of water, building contractors are making money like mad and that it's ok for u to pop over as the waters are down.

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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2012, 06:27:04 am »
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Hello Hobbyist

Thanks for the information. I forgotten about the terrible floods over there, Been so occupied with other things these days. I feel like a dog off the leash at the moment Grin

Anyway I hope your doing okay with your searches. Still looking for diamond deposits?

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« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2012, 07:50:22 am »
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Heya Hardluck,

Feeling like a dog off the leash is way better than feeling like being in the doghouse! Grin Monsoon's tapering off now (I hope). Been a soggy several months which really cramped my prospecting/detecting. I hope to resume my fav hobby this weekend, weather permitting. When you pop over to Thailand, have a nice hot bowl of tom yum goong for me! Wink

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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2012, 08:11:34 am »
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Hello Hobbyist

Found some great information in Singapore. I have another story in your part of the world. interesting read if anything.

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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2012, 09:40:07 am »
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Heya Hardluck,

I can attest that historical info in Singaporean educational institutions and public libraries are closer to the truth than in my own country. Back in the late 70's and early 80's the American embassy in Singapore had a decent library which the public was allowed access to, and I spent many an hour there. I do not know if that particular library still exists, but if it does, it can also be a wealth of south-east asian-centric info. Am most interested in your story concerning my neck of the woods, and look forward to your post! Smiley

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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2012, 05:02:23 pm »
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Hello Hobbyist

I did not know about the library in the American Embassy. The singapore Public library is wonderful resource. Not just on Asian matters but also for stories from around the world.

I have being trying to find out if there is an surviving newspapers of the Penang Gazette especially from 1820's to 1830's. Penang was bombed by the Japanese in 1942? So it might be possible to find surviving copies in Singapore Publc library.

Any way I agree Singapore has some good research resources.

There is a story I will post as another topic. As soon I sort out my papers.

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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2012, 10:30:54 pm »
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Hi Hardluck,

Aah, the Penang Gazette...first newspaper in south-east asia! It may be hard for you to find surviving copies; maybe there are some on microfische in a library somewhere. Here's an idea: when Sir Francis Light established Georgetown in Penang, it was under the auspices of the British Raj. They even used British India currency there. Maybe a UK or Indian library has copies of the Gazette?

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There are English versions of those websites and you could try writing in. I am not hopeful though as over the decades there has been a movement to eradicate or even deny Malaya's colonial past. If I recall correctly, last year some particularly idiotic people questioned that Malaya ever was a British colony! Give me a break! Anyways good luck in your research.

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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2012, 07:31:13 am »
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Hello Hobbyist

Congratulations you are one of the few to even know the Penang Gazette even existed.

Sadly I think your correct about the chances. The Japanese looted everything from Penang Island recycled all paper for their own use what was not burnt in the bombing. I cannot imagine how much historical information that was lost to your country and infact to the world.

All I have is a document  dated 1828 referring to Penang Gazette Newspaper report. I would of loved to have read through them.

There is at the moment anniversary of the Japanese invasion of Malaya and Singapore. The British was out fought, out gunned and out smarted by the Japanese by a even much smarter general than the incompetent British one. The retreating British forces left thousands of loyal Malayasians to their fate. Colonial arrogance at the time did not win the British favors either. However it is all part of your countries long history.

Sadly history is not seen to be important anymore. Which saddens me when society forgets the errors of the past they are doomed to repeat them. This is common in many countries these days my friend.

Anyway thanks so much for the links most appreciated.

Good hunting with your projects

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