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« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2011, 08:02:19 am »
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Excellent - thanks hardluck! Got the producer's name now - brilliant...

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« Reply #41 on: May 01, 2011, 03:14:43 pm »
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hardluck, you seem a mine of information! Do you by any chance know of any other names that Isla Santa Clara was known by, other than Goat Island? Ralph Lee Woodward says in his book that it was called by several other names. But he lost his notes in New Orleans in Hurricane Catrina and cannot now recall what any of the names were. I'd be interested in any name that it was ever called by. Would be brilliant if you could help with this! John

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« Reply #42 on: May 01, 2011, 03:34:48 pm »
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M?s Afuera,  its also been called Juan Fernandez Island, M?s a Tierra (Closer to land), or Aguas Buenas,

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« Reply #43 on: May 01, 2011, 04:55:41 pm »
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The 2 bigger islands are Robinson Crusoe (inhabited, also called Mas a Tierra) and Alexander Selkirk (uninhabited, 100 miles further west, also called Mas Afuera) - but I'm trying to find other names for Santa Clara, also called Goat Island, which is much smaller and only 1 mile from Robinson Crusoe Island. According to Ralph Lee Woodward, it has gone under several different names. I'd also be interested if anyone knows of any French-language names for any place on any of these islands. (There is a Puerta Frances on RC).

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« Reply #44 on: May 01, 2011, 07:00:57 pm »
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Hello  john470

The name of Santa Clara, Goat Island on old French charts is Isle Aux Chevres.

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« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2011, 06:36:10 am »
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Thanks hardluck! This might sound an odd question, but have you come across any other spellings of "chevre" in this context, or any other goat-linked French-language names for anywhere else in the Juan Fernandez island group?
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« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2011, 06:06:03 pm »
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Hello John470

In answer to your question? No there are no other French names referring to Goats that I know of. Most French charts are based on Lord Anson's chart.

However tn older charts by Robert Hack based on information from Basil Ringnose dating back to 1682, the south western half was known as Goat Quarters and a hill on the south western extremity overlooking Goat island called Goat hill.

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« Reply #47 on: May 03, 2011, 06:20:05 am »
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Hi hardluck and thanks for this. Maybe we should correspond off-board some time, after I've further pursued a couple of avenues I'm currently researching, in which I think you may be interested. I'm certainly interested in your knowledge of charts.

French activities in JF, or at least intentions, may have been more extensive than often assumed, insofar as a placename is still called "Puerta Frances". Am I right to suppose that you believe the (alleged transcripts of the) Webb letters (unfortunately I don't have copies) tto be mid-20th century fakes?

Keiser's latest line is that his favourite cave has a 'Dschubba' section! His money would be better spent on building houses post-tsunami.

In any case, I wonder what French toponyms may at some time have been assigned to "Goat Quarters" and "Goat hill".

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« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2011, 07:18:54 pm »
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Hello John

You can PM me through the website if you like. I wish best of luck with your research. If you are really intent of getting to bottom of this story then I suggest you look in the Admiralty records pertaining to dates when Anson was a admiral. Where these alleged letters came from.

And yes you are correct in my assumption of it being a 20th century hoax. However I am still open minded enough to change my opinion if the original alleged correspondence turns up of course. But some how I very much doubt it. Much of the story does not compute in comparison to historical evidence of the time.

Interesting to note the discoverers of these documents has business interests on the island. One was a mayor and the other was the only hotel owner. That speaks loudly in volumes that the whole affair was a fabrication to attract tourists.

It is these alleged copies that Maria Beeche husbands grandfather claimed to copied from originals in England.Yet no documents as far as I know have been found?

Juan Fernandez has an amazing history of pirates and quite possible that there is a few small hidden Caches still there today. But no where of the size as imagined by the media in the last few years.

As for French activities there was a French Buccaneers involved with Edward Davis so perhaps there might be some thing interesting? Most French charts are a later version based on Admiral Anson's chart of 1745.

On most of all the French charts I have seen there is no names for that part of the island at all.

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« Reply #49 on: May 25, 2012, 03:39:57 am »
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Hello All

Just droping an update on Juan Frenandez there is a syndicate wanting to propose an another expedition to the islands to look for Ansons treasure. They claim they have ansons personal documents. It would be interesting to hear of any progress.

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