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« on: June 19, 2010, 08:10:00 am »
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I love this story not a big believer but still worth looking into.


April 5, 1933 President Roosevelt issued an executive order over the gold standards, which forbid US citizens from hoarding or owning private. On January 17, 1934, President Roosevelt signed the Gold Act. The Federal Reserve set the price of gold at $35.00 per troy ounce. This helped with making the Federal Reserve stronger and the foreign debt easier to amortize.

A few years earlier Professor Morada had predicted this outcome. His group known as the Trabuco group purchased to buy all the Mexican gold at $20.67 or less if possible, hold it, and then sell it in the United States.

His prediction was that gold in the US could go as high as $40 per ounce by 1935 or 1936. Professor Morada at the time planned a way for the group to smuggle the Mexican gold into the US and sell it for a huge profit. Before he had the deal completed he had already stored around 8 tons of gold and another of his group, Ricardo Artega, had stored 4 tons.

In August of 1933, Trabuco and two other employees drove over the border of the US explaining they were going hunting in New Mexico. In New Mexico, they told officials they had permits to hunt in Colorado. While here, they contacted various crop dusting companies until they found Salt Lake Flyers and one of their best pilots, Bill Elliot. Elliot with the money sent to him for fuel in the amount of $200 visited Trabuco in Kirkland, New Mexico.

A deal was agreed in that Trabuco would supply all the fuel, the groceries and $2,500 per flight to bring the Mexican gold to the US. The rest of 1933 was used to carry the bullion from Mexico to what we call Four Corners. Of course, the Mexicans were patrolling the area to ensure the plane and its contents would go undiscovered.

It was reported that Elliot made 10 flights from August 1933 until November 1933 in order to move all the Mexican gold.

On January 17, 1934, the Gold Act was signed and enacted. This is not what Trabuco had really expected. The order was that all banks, storage refiners, and brokers had to turn their gold over to the federal mint, which would give them paper money in its place at $35.00 per ounce. The bad news was that it became illegal for private citizens to turn in their gold or they could face the illegal storage laws violation that had been enacted earlier. It was also illegal to sell to anyone except for the federal mints. Exporting or selling gold to foreigners was also against the law.

Late in 1935, Trabuco went back to the US to begin selling the Mexican gold. He went back to his group after his visit to explain that selling in the US could be impossible and they should look at a different plan. The reason he came back with this report is that he spoke with private broker in Denver, Colorado that explained no private broker would touch foreign gold.

He learned at Denver, no private broker would touch foreign gold. Trabuco's plan was to acquire a trusted Latino U.S. citizen partner, file a mining claim and filter the bullion through the mine records to the federal mint sales.

A bit of history occurred with several members of the Trabuco group dying from either illness or World War II. At the end of the war, the only surviving member was Trabuco.

Trabuco tried on various occasions to sell his gold; however, all were met with problems. During 1933 and 1934, it is believed the gold was stored near by the Shiprock area, on the Indian reservation, however, at a later date he did move the gold to his private site. Searches have been made throughout the area, but the gold has never been recovered.

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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2010, 11:17:07 pm »
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That's a good tale of a plan that backfired. That's a lot of weight to move around and stash. Sue

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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2010, 08:56:23 am »
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A great story and I heard that some gold bars were found by treasure hunters about 5 miles from the Shiprock site. The rest is a mystery.

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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2010, 05:00:15 pm »
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 Wow that is a huge ammount of gold!! INteresting lead...

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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2010, 02:41:18 am »
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Hello All

Thanks seldom for posting this topic.

It kind of went dead which is a shame because I am not sure about this story either way but still find the story interesting. The good thing this story is fairly researchable with out much effort. There is a fair amount of newspaper stories about this treasure legend.

I can see if I can find some thing to kick the topic along.

Please let me know if anyone else is interested in the story.

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« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2010, 11:43:19 am »
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Hey Hardluck,

Im interested in this story, and am actually in the research mode right now. The only thing that makes me a little leery of this story is that 12 tons of gold would be hard to move, and hard to miss. Seems like the government would be very interested in this much gold which makes me think that it could have already been discovered without being mentioned.

But hey, if even a small portion of it still exists, it could turn out to be a very lucrative find.



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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2010, 03:48:17 am »
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Hey Seldom

Thanks for this topic. Great story and a lot of Gold.

Waiting for some complement from Hardluck

All the best

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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2010, 06:13:46 am »
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Hello All

This story about 17 tons of gold is an interesting treasure legend. There has been many claims and supposed connections about this story about events of around 1933, and possible connections to other treasure stories.

In regards to the question where is the 17tons of gold? We perhaps should to to confirm the origins of the story first.

The story first became known in the early 1950's based on a court case. That we know actually happened.

Hardluck  Huh?

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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2010, 12:38:07 pm »
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Many thanks Hardluck, you're a mine of information



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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2010, 02:46:42 pm »
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As always Great story Seldom!

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