The Spanish,Jesuits,Indians,and the Mexican miners

		Quote:			Posted by Idaho Jones
	Just to play devils advocate here lets think about the timeline of those marks if they are 15th century or so. Would they think like we do today? Why worry about people finding your treasure if no one else is there looking for it? The native population didn't know or care about it as they had a totally different value system. Who are you hiding it from? How are you going to find it again if you are not the one picking it up. Desert landmarks are easily misconstrued carvings less so. Why bury tons of ore only to have the wagon train unable to locate it? Bad business that. We mark all four corners of our claims today in less cryptic terms. While we view it as a treasure now most of that metal was simply ore shipments to the spanish. Could some of them be just marks of ownership or names of mines much like today? How many of those shipments have been found? Not many that I know of, so does that mean the marks are hard to decypher or that they really are meaningless? Good question, the only way to prove it is to find one to disprove it you have to excavate the whole desert. Fun stuff that. The biggest problem would be knowing which marks are real and which are later carvings. Seems like when someone carves on a rock everyone who comes along after thinks they need to add something. Add to that the many that were made simply to fool or rip off the unwary. Also if I was hiding a treasure and leaving clues I might leave a few false ones to mislead anyone who didn't have the code. Just a few random thoughts.

Good points, all, but the answer to the first question posed is yes. They did think like we do today. Go back 2000 years and the Aztecs and Mayans did, too. They made maps and public markers to public places where, oddly enough, treasure was secretly buried but the maps only indicated that a city or functional center was there. That's the nature of maps and the coincidental burying of treasure in those centers of community.

I also agree that public markings WERE made but ONLY when the treasure was to be recovered almost immediately after it was hidden. I have stated that in the past. When you find a real treasure map in a public place, the most likely odds are that it has already been recovered. Sort of like those garage sale signs that become nearly immortal and live long after the garage sale has died.

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Thank you Idaha Jones, that was a grt. reply you made and stated it very well.you are very much right on everything you stated. my father a long time ago followed some indian signs that lead him to a concealed cave, in there he found a lot of gold nugits he feled his socks and pockits and concealed the opening up again. later word got out and he was kidnaped for 5 days and night .they were going to kill him. but he was able to get the ropes off and run away from the mine they had him tided up in. his the reson i got into looking for signs. i also have 6 mineing clams and cant seem to find the opening. back in the days of indians and cowboys and erlyer. your right some would mark to miss lead others and only they knew the right way. there is alot that gose into knowing if you have to go the way the marking say or go the other way. theres alway that to think of. i for one follow the marking fisrt then look in the other way. it dose take a lot of time and weekends. i,ev found mines with gold in the rocks on the walls but never took them out for he fear of it looking like a death trap, finding human remains also keeps me from going in . thanks again for your input. you worded everything very nice. good luck graywolf

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Driftwood charly; i wood like to show you the things i talk about, more then happy to. it wood prove to those on here alot of what i say is true. i have stuyed on this for a long time. there are alot of pepole that find it hard to belive. but i say thats just fine. if everyone was into this like they are in gold paning, we would be haveing probloms becouse alot of people distroy monuments and signs. there are those that dont want you to fine what they have been looking for. lets set up a day we can go out and look.
sorry to hear about your friend Charlie, thats a big lost not only of a friend but also of all that he knew.

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hi

i am not sure if anyone else see's it the same, but it seems to look like a "turtle" with it's head out of the shell.

i read somewhere that this is a Jesuits sign - turtles.

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