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« on: July 13, 2009, 08:44:24 pm »
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I have noticed, when I am detecting, about the different signals I get.  I usually don't dig the signals that jump from coins to junk.  Well, because they usually and always are junk.  I have tested that aspect.  I have dug up plenty of those signals to confirm that they are junk. 

Now, there is the signals that emit multiple beeps in one swing.  Mind you my detector is a motion swing.  I usually dig those beeps, because I am not sure if example: if it goes from pull tab to nickel, I dig it up.  Sometimes nickel sometimes pull tab.  I usually dig the questionable signals, most of the time they are junk but sometimes they are not. 

Anyways, I was just wanting to hear some opinions from others.  Some of you may do it different than I, of course depending on your detector and situation, condition, etc.

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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2009, 10:38:21 pm »
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Hay MI,

When you said,

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I usually don"t dig the signals that jump from coins
to junk. Well, because they usually and always are junk.
I have tested that aspect. I have dug up plenty of those
signals to confirm that they are junk.
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I tested those signals for decades. Came up with tha
same conclusion. But in tha last two years, I discovered
I was wrong. My album only has finds from tha last two
years.

Check my Arkie Ablem,

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On multiple signals,,,,,,,

I find that there is more than one kind of multiple signal.

First off, it may be on, or very close to tha surface.....
that can cause a double signal. Raise tha coil. Then
you may be able to get a single response. If you have
a depth indicator, check that also.

Another multiple response is more than one target....
Some machines have trouble doing this. They have
slower response and/or slower recovery speeds.

My Tesoroes can pop them out right quick, especially
my Speedyes..

Another multiple sound can sometimes be a flat peice
of metal, or sometimes just a long thing like wire.

Even a nail can produce different signals, depending
on how it is presented to the coil. Try swinging over a
nail. Then rotate tha nail 90 degrees. One way may
give a double signal while the other way will give a
single signal. Check the discrimination point of tha
nail.  Then drive the nail strait down in tha ground.
You should get a single signal, but with a higher
discrimination point... (how weird???)

Remember  to raise tha coil if your gettin a double
signal because it is shallow. That may help make the
above true.

As you probably know, different machines may
act differently. So, some of tha things I said may
not work as well with your machine.

I am only trying to bring up different aspects of the
so called multiple signal.

This is an interestin thread.

Thanks fer postin it,

Tabdog


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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2009, 01:06:57 am »
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Hm.  As I have said, the signals that jump from junk to coins are usually only a single beep, on a left to right swing.  For example: I swing left, and it rings up as silver.  I swing right and then it jumps to nail or bottle cap Discriminated or not.  I usually go over these signals, but some of them I do question and dig.

Like today, I went to the local river front.  I swung my coil and I get a bell tone, which is coins.  If I lower or raise my coil a bit, it then turns to a semi-good tone or even bad tone sometimes. 

I have also noticed that if the coil is detecting the item from the very edge, it will read coin.  And as I follow to the center of the object it changes to pull tab or aluminum.  However, this may be due to my machine and not affect others as mentioned.  I have grown to learn that pennies either read pennies and sometimes come up as gold on my machine.  I have also noticed that most rifle casings come up between nickel and foil on my machine.  Lead is always between nickel and pull tab. 

Like I have said, I usually investigate the multiple beeps.  Sometimes I get junk and sometimes I get rewards.  Like today, I had found three clad dimes.  Two of them rung up as dime or quarter.  However, the last one had multiple rings to it.  The difference is, was that the other two clad dimes were at least a good three inches into the ground, while the last dime was just at the surface.  Which would apply to your principle of flat metal slabs reading as multiple rings at once.  Because the dime was flat on the surface, unlike the other two I had detected before it.

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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2009, 02:06:49 am »
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My habit of digging every target and always hunting all metal has paid wonderfully. I almost always have a handful of keepers while others go home empty handed. Even when I follow in the tracks of others, I get what they left behind. More than one detector user has changed their habits after hunting with me just once. Dig them all, I say, or be forever cursed with bad luck. Oops. Sorry. Did not mean to do that. I hope it does not stick.

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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2009, 09:04:17 am »
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Gold Digger is makin sense to me.

I started giggin them all in an experament.
I wanted to rid a tot lot of all tha aluminum
foil bits that got shreaded up with tha wood
chips.

I did this one winter 2 years ago. I uncovered
10,000s of points. Then I reconered 10,000s
more, This went on for a couple of months.

I never did get it all, but I got gold and silver.

The best thing I got was an eye opener. After
that I new more about metal detector responses
than ever before. I also had a new appreaciation
for diggin those iffy signals.

Like I said, look at what I have found sense then.

Most of it is in my picture ablem.

Happy Huntin,

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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2009, 10:16:51 am »
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Hay MI,

Here is an interestin experiment.

Put a dime in a card board, or paper box that is about
2 inches or so high.

Put a few small staples over tha dime, and on top of tha box.

Do you get a signal? I am sure you will not get a dime signal.

Try different discriminator settings.

Try off setting tha staples to tha side. keep checking the response
as tha staples get farther away.

Now try that with a small gold ring.

Now tell me about those iffy signals... lol

See what I mean?

Just think about all tha stuff in tha ground that is at least as
conductive as a few small staples.

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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2009, 02:21:56 pm »
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Very good test procedure, when i find a site that I would like to keep detecting i will dig most every signal to clean up things a bit, helps make a deeper signal more readable, does make for a lot of extra digging time though , but I end up finding a lot of good coins and some very nice relics, alonge with some rings. when you find a ring that might be missing a stone, always sift the dirt very well and you just might fing it.

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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2009, 05:28:52 pm »
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Hay Lem,

That makes sense to me.

It has so much to do with location.

If I luck on to a place that may produce
well, I will go all out.

Other wise, I am much more selective.
No point diggin everything unless there
is a real good chance tha goodies are
there. But you have to be diligent just
to find tha spots. That means dig, dig,
dig.

You reminded me of something when
you said " when you find a ring that might
be missing a stone, always sift the dirt
very well and you just might find it".

You should have seem be tryin ta find this
missing stone".... lol

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I was even out in tha dark with incadesent
lights, flash lights, and even florescent lits.

Never did find it........ Huh?

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That ring sure is a beauty, mate! Looks like the perfect candidate for a faceted Herkimer diamond or a nice CZ.

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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2009, 10:48:54 pm »
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ya know, you are right on the signal that jumps from coin to junk, i have also tested this out, but some times it has also turned out to be a new penny close to the surface. Now the double ping is something I like to hear and dig up.  This sound at least on my machine (whites) is an old pull tab, but depending where your meter is reading is most times a ring. All my rings have always been a double ping. Now on my garett my rings are not double pings, in fact I rarelly get a double ping on my garret, but to me a double ping is always worth the dig. But remember that each machine is uniquelly different in signals. My advice to you would be to dig all double pings, until you are convinved that for your machine doubles are garbage. . For me doubles are exciting and more jewlery comes out of the ground.

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