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« on: December 07, 2009, 06:02:02 am »
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Hi all,..I`m a Newbie to this site.
Could anyone shed some light on this I found in Germany ?
I do know it called a Talar or Taler,and test show it`s 14ct gold.

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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2009, 12:50:14 pm »
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Hello and Welcome ... it is a german Taler. Quite rare! You ahrdly find them. Unfortunately it has a hole drilled through it which is a pitty as it really hurts its value. For your German finds you also may want to try out

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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2009, 01:50:04 pm »
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Hi

Is there a date on your coin?what test did you do. Acid?if so did you do it your self?

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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2009, 01:52:19 pm »
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PS: It is most probably silver as as there would be no oxidation otherwise. I think it should date likely from around 1650 - 1750.

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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2009, 01:00:50 am »
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Thanks for the Link Christian Smiley and your input.
I will visit the site you have recommended.
The unusual thing about this coin is the fact it`s only the "tails" side,..and it`s been drilled top and bottom (as if screwed or nail to something)..also,it`s much bigger than a actual Taler coin.
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2009, 01:04:50 am »
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Ah! Then it could be a "fake" Tale ... that is a button made to resemble a taler coin as they would have been used in the past by farmers, converting them to buttons in order always have their safings on their body.

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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2009, 01:26:43 am »
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Hi xavier.
The date on the coin is 1541,and I used a precious metal tester which showed 14 kt gold (that`s maybe why it has oxidized like it has,ratio of copper/sliver/gold)..I have read somewhere that collectors like old coins to have this oxidized look which adds to the collectability.
Christian, the farmer theory makes sense,because it was found near vineyards close to a 2000 year old village.
Also,it`s more like a medallion than a coin.

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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2009, 01:53:23 am »
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Best post it on detektorforum.de someone there should be able to help. It is not gold but silver from what I can see. if it is Gold there is never oxidation. Anything else will get oxidation depending on the qualiyt / pureiyt of the metal. Also it is no coin but as you say rather a medalion. Way too big for a Taler coin. Interesting piece.

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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2009, 02:30:25 am »
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Thanks again Christian,..with the greatest respect,I made sure my test were correct in all aspects..very soft alloy,and able to mark the metal with a pin,with a gold,silver and platinum testing pen the results were clearly 40-60% gold,I scratched an area on the reverse side to exposed clean metal (which is where I conducted the test)..could the level of oxidisation be due to the minerals within the local soil ? and also,as you have pointed out the purity of the alloy has a significant bearing on the weathering process.Also any impurities within the smelting process would have a negative effect on the alloy,I`ve seen similar oxidisation on Saxon gold found in the U.K.
I will try and post it on the site you have kindly suggested,but my German is limited at best !

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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2009, 02:36:53 am »
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Hello Andrew,

Gold will never have any oxidation. It gets out of the soil as on the day it was lost. Very pure silver won't have any oxidation either (like on high quality Roman silver denarius coins). If your item was gold there wouldn't be any oxidation at all.

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