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« on: March 15, 2015, 10:15:20 am »
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i saw too many people want to make easy and usefull metal detector this one help for you not professional but nice working.....this one tested and working verygood.. detector name russian "PIRAT" (short for PI - pulse, RA-T - radioskot - website developers)

is easy to manufacture and configuration does not contain programmable elements that are so afraid of many amateurs, there are no expensive and scarce elements, and its parameters are not inferior some foreign instances the price of 100-300 USD The main advantages of this device over other schemes simple - it's stability and range.

this will help you to understand how metal dedectors work..

ill give 3 combination for that ( on 555 on transistor and 074 version used 555 one and replaced for k157 usefull if you cant find k157)

whats this dedector and hows working:

The device consists of two main units, transmitting and receiving. Transmitting node consists of a pulse generator on the chip KR1006VI1 (analogue NE555) and a powerful key transistor (mosfet- IRF740 ). The receiving unit is assembled on a chip and transistor K157UD2 ( 074 ) and BC547.

The parameters of the metal detector:
supply - 9-12 volts
Current consumption - 30-40 mA

Sensitivity :
25 millimeter coin - 20 cm
Large metal objects - 150 cm

The coil is wound on a mandrel 190mm and contains 25 turns of wire SEW 0.5. Transistor T2 is replaced by the NPN bipolar transistor structure with K-voltage E is not less than 200 volts. It can take from the energy-saving lamp or charger from a mobile phone. In the extreme case as T2 works even KT817, so you can experiment. As T3 is virtually any transistor structure of NPN. Properly assembled unit in adjusting almost does not need. You may have to pick up the resistor R12, so that clicks in dynamics appeared at the middle position R13. If there is an oscilloscope can monitor the duration of the gate control pulse T2 and the oscillator frequency.The optimal option 130-150mks pulse frequency of 120-150 Hz.

Operation:
When the expect 15-20 seconds, then the sensitivity adjuster find a position in which the dynamics of the clicks are heard - this is the maximum sensitivity. The device is simple to operate and skills to work with him come in just a couple of inclusions.
- R1 corresponds to the generator for frequency generation.
- R2 - for the duration of the control pulse.

something to measure up, that's the voltage across the terminals of op-amp (without the presence of metal in the area of the sensor):

2-6.5v
3-6.5v
5-5.5v
6-3.5v
9-0.7v
13-6.2v

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  Pay mind that we do not use Russian Transistor Designations or Part Numbers.

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i gived 3 schema   Wink look for 074 version . 074 used for amp. and changed with 157 amp.

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The part numbers look OK to me, Homefire.

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dont forget  !!!!!!  No no! ...dont touch detectors any parts when your detector's position is on ...detectors have high voltage for your body i wrote at the first post PN bipolar transistor structure with K-voltage E is not less than 200 volts....   Teach


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USE : 100nF capacitors must ( 63 V ) need to take film, that such voltage take as little as possible

USE :  R7-R8 with 2 watt  for 074 version ( if you want use stone resistors )..

To search coil winding need copper wire diameter 0,5-0,7mm ..If there is no, you can use another. the same copper lacquered wire was not enough. Took an old power cord i used picture at the bottom.

23cm (25 turns), 15cm (17 turns) and 10 cm (13-15 turns).

Tests conducted on the average lady coil diameter of 15 cm. So the gold ring on the air caught the 18cm, 30cm scissors. table lamp 50cm. that is not bad enough for that of metal detector. and youll see 23cm diameter will give nice results..  Wink

metal detectors coils have some rules ( high diameters go more the deeper but most difficulty seeing fine detail. Small coil clearly see fine detail, but the depth is not great. )

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hello cool2010

i had this a time ago
maybe you can find some more Details of older layout

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Posted on: March 16, 2015, 04:16:18 am
did you already test a pinpointer coil?
(magnet wire wound over a ferrite core)

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ill check your other metal detector schema bernte_one..

i added part list for all 3 versions all in one dont need all parts at the part lists look schema for 074 you dont need E157 etc....... look your schema and youll find whats that..

and when you see russion resistor thats little info for that  Wink

we need to evaluate what the maximum power the resistor can dissipate. From top to bottom, the bottom of the photo resistors on the power: 2 Watt, 1 Watt, 0.5 watts, 0.25 watts 0.125 watts. On the power resistors 1 and 2 watts write MLT-1 MLT-2, respectively. MLT - a kind of the most popular Soviet resistors of abbreviations etallichesky M, L akirovanny T eploustoychivy. Others have power resistors can estimate in size. The more resistance in size, the more power it can dissipate into the surrounding space. Joule-Lenz has not been canceled.

Units of measurement in MLTeshkah - Oma - referred to as R or E. kiloomah - letter "K", megohms letter "M". It's simple. For example, 33E (33 Ohms); 33R (33 Ohm); 47K (47 K); 510K (510 kW); 1.0m (1 M). There is also a feature such that the letters can outpace the figures, for example, K47 means that the resistance is 470 ohms, M56 - 560 kilos. And sometimes, not to zamarachivatsya with commas stupidly pushed back bukovku, for example. 4K3 = 4.3 kiloomah, 1M2 - 1.2 megohm. Let's look at our hero. Look directly at the designation. 1K0 or the word "ka one zero." Hence, the resistance Dolno be 1.0 kilos.

FOR coil:

The coil is wound on the rim 20cm lacquered wire SEW 0.40-0,60
from the coil to the board, the thicker the wire the better sensitivity, the wire should be stranded copper compound without any twists should be soldered, iznochalno do without plug solder wires from the coil directly on the track, as you can earn to experiment with a variety of connectors, from all this will depend on the range adjusting the sensitivity and stability

It is necessary to track zaludit before pick up coils of the coil increases the sensitivity up to 3 cm, this will depend on how the quality were etched track coil 25 to 10 turns, if not lacquered wire that goes even solid copper wire in plastic insulation diameter of 0.40 - 0.60 remove insulation is not necessary, wound 25 turns and test unrolling one branch cutting their sensitivity begins to grow and how to feel that the sensitivity starts to fall count the number of turns and wound adding 1-2 new coil and the coil is ready..

this one is standart ( 25 turns of wire with a diameter of 0.5 mm wound on a mandrel diameter 18cm )

The coil should buzz

I have reached the maximum sensitivity
10 turns in the coil 2 ohms
wire thickness 0.45
coil diameter 20 cm
R7 75th,
from the coil to the board stranded copper wire 1.5 square below the thicker the better.

Coil shakes (in the embroidery frame) is not about expensive entirely of plastic contains no metal objects, the inner ring and take out it shakes the coil put back twist and coil is ready, it is very convenient to pass through it in hand earth metal checking is there or not

At the request of R7 can not put a set place for a variable resistor on the 400th 1-2 watts less otherwise not burn, set to be set to maximum sensitivity, how to earn a better result unsolder and measure how much on it as th on and set Resistor R7

Coil should be tested by further from the board and other metallic objects, it is best to hang in the middle of the room for further from electrical appliances, then it will be more likely to be set to maximum sensitivity

MORE info which one is for what  Teach
R2 is responsible for the duration of the pulses from 1k to 2,6k
from 25mA to 48ma it will depend on what is powered by a 9V to 12V
R3 is responsible for the frequency
R11 from 1 MOhm to 3 IOM
R16 from 470k up to 33K
C3 from 1mf to 4.7mF
C4, C6 from 10mf to 20mF
C1 from 100nf 220nf to change the purity of sound
C6 from 10mf 1mf to enhance sensitivity
R8 from 390th to 70th watt 0.5 sound will be louder
R7 from 390th to 50th 1 watt grow sensitivity
C8 ot1000 to 2200 clicks can be clearer to 4700 microfarads to during the pulse was not a failure

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i think you have much experience with russian Technology
maybe the right values are missed while interpreting and translating the original Project

are you able to upload a Video of your unit
i have seen some Videos of this Project already, but nearly all have shown a bad performance

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i looked the 074 layout file, is most ij smd very nice,  but where can i see a video of this unit working???

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