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« on: January 28, 2015, 07:49:52 pm »
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Having successfully put together a pin pointer kit from easytreasure.co.uk, I decided to go to the next level and buy a more advanced kit from SilverDog.co.uk. I decided to buy two kits, just to make sure I have a spare part in case something goes wrong.

The pin pointer was a breeze in comparison, but so far I don't think I have damaged anything while soldering the SURF PI 1.2 components.  Smiley

Since electronics is a recently acquired hobby for me, I decided to buy a Solder Practice Kit so I would at least have a little training. The Theramin kit I soldered and assembled last year was a complete disaster. Cry

I would like to share some of the things which are not immediately evident if you are purchasing the SURF PI 1.2 kit.

I have been searching and searching for a good coil tutorial but the problem is that even when I found a good tutorial, I couldn't get the exact type of wire called for. Jaycar Electronics here only had 0.63mm enamelled copper wire so I was faced with having to do my own calculations in regards to coil size and how many turns. With only a patchy grasp of the formulas I ended up just using my best guess.

From additional research I have come to the conclusion that the easiest solution for me would be to solder a Minelab type connector plug to the control box and buy a coil from one of the many manufacturers that makes Minelab compatible coils.

Of course every spare dollar in our house is currently going to school uniforms and school shoes, school fees, not to mention the usual credit card bills, rent, utilities, petrol, groceries, and bla bla.

So if I want to test out my SURF PI 1.2 when it is finished I am probably going to have to make my own coil.

I made one with 18 turns shaped into a 160mm*190mm oval. As mentioned above it is 0.63mm enamelled copper wire.




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The coil there is sitting in the coil housing from the defective Gold Snoop Pro I took a hack saw to.

Posted on: January 28, 2015, 06:36:18 pm
Quick update, from today's research:

 I've now worked out that my coil's inductance is around 352 microhenry [µH].

I used the coil calculator that is available for download on the Geotech1 forum. The results there are in milliHenrys, so 0.352 mH.

From what I gather this is ok for use with the SURF PI 1.2


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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2015, 07:49:31 am »
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Hello there is a lot of information on surf PI 1.2 coils on the Geotech site, but it is scattered, if you just search (surf PI 1.2) or (kenny444) that's me; you will fall over all sorts of info. I have wound coils 8 inches to 14 inches and they all need a different "Damping resistor" for example my 14" coil has a 680R damping resistor. There is a series/parallel resistor setup that you fit to your PCB and align the coil resistor with a scope for the best match. Also there are some videos on youtube, but the depth they apparently show is greater than anything I have managed. But having said that I do not want to be digging a trench on every signal. Hope all goes well. Kenny.

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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2015, 01:46:01 pm »
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Thank you for taking the time to guide me in the right direction.

I hooked up the coil and power supply to do the first test yesterday. I was rather anxious as just one tiny mistake or short circuit in the coil can ruin everything. I have been reading the many misadventures of first time builders and others who like myself are just beginning to get acquainted with the terminology and electronic principles.

You can imagine how overjoyed I was when I swung my gold ring past the coil and my piezo buzzer sounded off.

What a buzz! Pardon the pun.





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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2015, 01:56:23 pm »
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    Did you know about the Issue with R-18 and R-22?

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I think the R18 R22 problems was sorted on the 1.2 PCB, but Silverdog would be the best source of information on that subject.

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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2015, 02:35:06 pm »
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I didn't change any components. Everything from the kit.

The mods I read about, I wasn't sure what was necessary and what even worked.

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Here is how I ended up making the coil with faraday shield. It took me a while to find aluminum tape.

Posted on: February 04, 2015, 04:22:37 pm
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align the coil resistor with a scope for the best match.


I'm guessing this can only be tuned with access to an oscilloscope, which at the moment I don't have.

I see there is something on my digital multimeter that says "Hz%" but I don't know if that can be used for this purpose.

On further reflection: wouldn't the "damping resistor" only be needed if the coil had too many loops of coil for whatever board is hooked up to it?

From what I gather the Surf PI 1.2 requires a coil that has a calculated inductance of under 400, but preferably 300 to 350 µH.

I am assuming that a resistor would reduce the current flow through the coil, thereby reducing inductance.

Correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that building the coil to the desired size based on the Geotech coil inductance calculator would mean that no additional resistor is necessary.

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The method of tuning is simple as I wrote earlier, you need a non-shorting adjustable resistor that has a minimum resistance about 150R you then monitor one of the ic pins with a scope (not sure at the moment which chip) and adjust the resistor for the correct or recommended wave form. See Geotech. when you have the resistance, you can either put that resistor on the PCB as a fixed value of R & W or if your cunning put the resistor in the coil housing, so you can use different coils all with their own damping resistor installed, while on the PCB you just leave the connection open.

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Just as an addition Jack, the resistor is in parallel (not in series) with the coil and is used to dampen ringing in the coil caused by capacitance of the windings and the connecting cable and its natural resonant frequency. If you wind 10 identical coils, each one will still require a different resistor because the capacitances and natural resonant frequencies will be different. That's why is so important to have a scope. Borrow one if you can. Use the method suggested by Kenny, but maybe use a 1K-2Watt control instead.

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Makes sense. I might look into getting an oscilloscope that plugs into a laptop.

If it were easy everyone would do it, right?

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