Is Chirst buried in Kashmir?
hardluck:
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Here is interesting legend. That might upset the most orthodox of christian beliefs.
Did Christ die on the cross? Was he resurrected or did he never die but perhaps fell into coma and deemed dead only to survive the crucifixion?
Could the historical Jesus survived and fled Palestine to Kashmir India?
There is a legend in India which is hardly known to Christan's of the west. But known to other religions to the east.
Perhaps if this legend turns out to be true this it may be a force of good to unify the religions of the world?
There is a legend that there is a tomb in Kashmir India that is of a holy man who had been crucified who walked from Palestine in the early 1st century.Who was this Holy man?
There is a theory put forth by such scholars as Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, Aziz Kashmiri, Holger Kersten, and Dr Fida Hassnain is that Jesus was buried in Kashmir. This view is based on the belief that Jesus Christ traveled to the East following the crucifixion, a theory based on evidence found in historical documents, as well as characteristics of the tomb itself.
The tomb in question is located in the Roza Bal shrine venerated by Muslims, Christians and Buddhists, The tomb is located in Srinagar, Kashmir, a territory found in the northern subcontinent of India. The shrine is believed to belong to Yus Asaph (?Jesus the Gatherer?), the prince prophet who is said to have traveled to Kashmir from a distant land. Followers of Yus Asaph recognized him as a prophet of the people who preached the oneness of God in a period when many people in the region had turned to idolatry.
The tomb is comprised of a low rectangular-shaped building on a raised platform, and is surrounded by railings at the front. It contains three arches at the front, which provides an entrance way to the tomb, as well as four arches at the side.
Believed to be the tomb of Jesus by scholars, as well as Ahmadi Muslims, a sect of Muslims living in the Punjabi region of India, the direction of the tomb is considered by some historians to support the Kashmir tomb theory, as it faces an east-west direction. This geographical configuration is consistent with Jewish burial practices and therefore suggests the possibility that the individual entombed was of Jewish origin.
In addition, the Kashmir tomb contains a unique artifact that some scholars believe also supports the theory that Jesus was indeed buried in the tomb of the Roza Bal shrine. This artifact is an impression of footprints that contain markings that are found on distinct areas on each foot. Historians believe that this foot impression is consistent with the crucifixion, in which one foot was placed over another, thereby supporting the Kashmir tomb theory. Furthermore, the position of the crucifixion wounds is consistent with those of the Shroud of Turin.
The main text that supports the theory that Jesus was buried in Kashmir is the Bhavishya Maha Purana, the ninth book of the eighteen texts considered holy by Hindus; this text records the encounter between king Shalivahan and Jesus Christ, long after the crucifixion. In this passage, Jesus describes himself as being born of a virgin and as the Son of God.
The description of Jesus in the Bhavishya Maha Purana records him as being fair skinned as wearing a white garment.
The St. Issa Scroll is another text which is believed to support the theory that Jesus was buried in Kashmir following the crucifixion. The scroll, found in a Buddhist monastery in Hemis, records the travels of a Jewish boy to the East, a fact that some historians, such as Nicholas Notorich believe explains the absence of documentation regarding Jesus? life in the Gospels between the ages of 12 and 30.
Historians who believe that the Kashmir tomb is that in which Jesus is buried, also point to the fact that the parables attributed to Jesus in the Gospels, such as the parable of the Sower, were attributed to Yus Asaph, as found in historical recordings from various sources.
There are several scriptures that may support this theory: The apocryphal texts and non-canonized gospels found in Qumran, Israel and Nag Hamadi, Egypt, scriptures found in Tibetan monestaries, historians over the centuries, inscriptions in temples and at the Rozabal Mausolaeum, the Sanskrit texts Bahavishya Maha Purana and Rajatarangini, Persian texts and last but not the least: The age old oral tradition from the different parts of India and other countries, where Jesus is supposed to have been. Where the local people long time ago had seen a man, "With fair hair and a face shining like the sun, who called Himself, the son of God."
Opening of the shrine has been attempted in 1984 according to Holger Kersten, "Jesus lived in India" p. 231. But interestingly enough: "A shootout broke out on the evening before the planned opening, with the loss of seven lives." Since the summer 1889 a situation near civil war has developed in Kashmir due to the activities of various guerrilla groups. The old town area of Srinagar, in which the tomb is located, was the central lair of the underground fighters in those days. The whole town of Srinagar and the Kashmir province is nowadays patrolled by 700.000 Indian troops. It is possible and fairly safe to visit the shrine also for foreign visitors.
In view of the fact, that the tomb is situated right next to the River Jhelum and must have been flooded many times over the past two thousand years, not too much should be expected from the opening of the underground Sarcophagus.
Is there enough evidence to support this theory? It is strange in the west scholars have consistently ignored the claims. Is this perhaps pressure from the established church? Or perhaps the multilingual skills are not there for people to fully research the subject?
Interestingly enough there is another temple nearby over looking the lake called the Temple on Solomon Hill. On the stairs of the temple are 4 Persian inscriptions.
The text of the inscriptions:
1. The mason of this pillar is Bihishti Zargar (artisan under Sandiman), year fifty and four. (inscription above)
2. Khwaja Rukun son of Murjan erected this pillar.
3. At this time Yuz Asaf proclaimed his prophethood. Year fifty and four (=78AD).
4. He is Jesus, prophet of the children of Israel.
Faith and belief is challenged, but is lack of faith in the historical evidences, not a deep down lack of faith in Him?
What ever the reason... in the great valley of Kashmir lies a Tomb that may be Tomb of a very holy man who teachings have persevered 2000 years to present day.
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interesting for sure,thanks
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Luc:
Very very interesting HardLuck, Another way to explore or study.
One question about the text:
Are we sure that Jesus had blond hair?
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hardluck:
Hello Luc
You make a fair point.
That statement was based on oral tradition which states The age old oral tradition from the different parts of India and other countries, where Jesus is supposed to have been. Where the local people long time ago had seen a man, "With fair hair and a face shining like the sun, who called Himself, the son of God."
Is perhaps a latter corruption of the original legend. Fair can also mean light brown and not exactly blond however.
There is a few flaws in theory of course.
Thanks for the link.
Another thing be aware dates of these texts mentioned. Various religions and culture did not have a common dating system so when dates mention in one culture or religion will mean a different date in another.
Here is more Sanskrit and Muslim texts.
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Interesting topic hardluck now to the books
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hardluck:
Hello Seldom
It is a hard one for us westerners to research unless you are fluent in Arabic or Sanskrit. ;D
We have to rely of interpenetration of others from respective languages to English. The interpretations is only as good as proficiency in all three languages.
There has been some level of criticism of the research of some of historians as some of their conclusions are made on assumptions.
However there are enough circumstantial evidence to warrant further research. There is a book called Jesus in India which might be an interesting read.
Hardluck :)
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fluent in Arabic or Sanskrit.
No not me, and as you say we have to rely on others for interpenetration leaves to much open for assumptions.
I read a book a few years ago that covered this topic was not very well written. Will find a copy of Jesus in India and give a read.
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Idaho Jones:
Very interesting Hardluck. Now we simply open the box take a sample and compare it with the Sudarium of Oveido and the Shroud of Turin blood. Lets have real scientists without an agenda preform the tests, ones professional enough to not rely on a single test as proof positive. Both camps have failed in that regard on multiple occasions.
The real question is which fear is stronger that it won't match or that it will?
Fascinating stuff :)
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BitburgAggie_7377:
Sort of like the question of what verified contact with non-terrestial intelligent life would do to people's belief systems. For me that speculation falls into the category of being "where angels fear to tread".
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I have heard of the Kashmir theories. One there is a good time of Jesus life we dont know for sure what he was doing so he could have gone to Kashmire when he was younger and people just switched to after his death, regardless of if this is why the stories exist I think Jesus probably learned from various groups and a trip like that would be posible in his youth.
Second based on religious beliefs of mine a resurected Christ went to many other groups of people like when he returned to the apostles that is my interpretion of the others of my sheep or whatever the exact thing he says is. So my take on the Kashmire theory is yes Jesus likely went to Kashmire and taught. There are other cultures that have similar stories of a wise teacher coming and teaching them that may also be Jesus too.
As for the shroud of Turin from what I understand multiple scientific test have shown it is not likely legitimate. Also for Catholics the church has not ever recognized that it was what it says it was though the last few popes have given a more positive view that it is at the very least something of religious value and some kind of gift from God to show his love.
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