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« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2011, 10:20:07 pm »
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The malpais and inscription rock are definitely worth a trip......Where are you based out of?


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« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2011, 10:26:10 pm »
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 I'm sure I've heard  of area called the Malpais and some related treasure tales, Has there been some TV documentaries ? Seldom and BA could you give a bit more info ? Anyone with something to contribute please do. Starboss if you go there take photos, and don't forget to post us a report of how it was. Good luck with your adventure  Cool

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« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2011, 10:47:04 pm »
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Malpais in general is any bad land.   In specific the area of the El Malpais National monument is an old lava field mostly south of Interstate 40 in western New Mexico.   It's bounded on the east and south sides by New Mexico State Route 117 and on the west side by New Mexico State Routes 36 and 53 (more or less....just as I-40 more or less marks the northern boundary).   Some of the lava tubes in the flow area have naturally occuring "ice caves".    Very close to El Malpais is El Morro National Monument which is one of those places where anybody and everybody carved their name (including Spanish conquistadors....which gives you an idea of the relic potential (not to mention this is the heartland of the Southwest Native American territory)).

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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2011, 10:55:19 pm »
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 Thanks BA for giving out a bit of a lay of the land. Sounds like a bit of history going down in that area.
 So was it a hang out for bandits and the like.

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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2011, 04:19:05 am »
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 I found a bit of info ' Some storys about a lost mine/ gold claim called the Adams  diggings, story goes the Apache indians attacked the party and only two made it out ...

 Another story is of gold coins that came from a train robbery, I think the name Gus Raney was linked to some of it.

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Well, I wouldn't be looking for the Lost Adams Diggings in the malpais, but I do think that the Diggings are located within a day of the malpais.   As far as outlaws hiding out there, they might in ones or twos, but I'd expect it to be more of a refuge for small bands of renegade Indians....and even then only when the army was in hot pursuit.  Plenty of other places to hide nearby that are more hospitable.

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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2011, 11:10:28 am »
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Salt Lake City w/winter home in St. George, Utah.

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Well that nixes the idea that I had for you for a nice Sunday afternoon drive if you were in Albuquerque or Santa Fe  Smiley   There were a couple of routes that included driving around the Malpais that I used to take any time I felt I needed to get away for a long afternoon attitude adjustment.


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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2011, 02:27:43 pm »
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  None of the outlaws associated with the Malpais  Bronco Bill, Black Jack and Sam Ketchum  Sam Bass never had enough money to bury are hide any of it. They know their life was going to be a short none had dreams of old age. So they lay low awhile then drink, gamble and whore away their money then go rob again.
Thats some pretty hard country to survive in even today can't see them hard cases staying long.

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Thats some pretty hard country to survive in even today can't see them hard cases staying long.


I agree with Seldom about none of them having much money.....and to a certain extent about the land not being too hospitable even today.  Inside the Malpais proper the lands pretty much designed to wear you down and wear you out (if it doesn't cut you to shreds first).....BUT there are a lot of places in it that act as natural water cachement basins.   Most of them are really small and dry up quickly in the summer, but there are a few that are large enough and shaded enough that they can have at least stagnant water most of the year.   And while I wouldn't want to hide in the malpais for any length of time, I sure could see myself hiding in the mountains literally across the road from them  (except for that ever constant threat of hostile indians---at least back then especially when a lot of these guys never took the time to figure who the friendlies were and weren't and even the friendlies could be "difficult" if you were where you weren't supposed to be).   IF I were a successful outlaw and IF I ever managed to accumulate enough wealth that I'd feel like stashing it instead of spending it all, I'd pick the mountains overlooking the Malpais.   Biggest problem with that is the area really isn't very convenient to either the conveniences of the day (whiskey, women, supplies, etc) or any settlements of any size.  You've got mining communities down in the Mogollons (around Pinos Altos and Silver City) to the south, and you've got Grants, Gallup, and Ft Wingate to the West and Northwest...but all those are well over a day away.   Albuquerue, Santa Fe, and the mining communities between them are a long hard ride to the East.     You're basically in the middle of nowhere and surrounded (literally) by Indians.

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