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« on: April 08, 2017, 09:22:45 am »
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Hey Everyone!

I'm new here and I've got a lot to learn about detectors. My first question pertains to a trend in treasure hunting technology I saw in the 1990's. Very akin to dowsing and divining, the idea was to use probes to saturate the ground and then use divining rods or some other sort of pendulous/swiveling pointing mechanism to locate a topic. The person with the technology claimed that it found ghost signals but couldn't locate a target. It was in an area where we're relatively sure a decent size cache of gold coins is buried in ceramic jars and we've never heard any rumors of stories of it being found. Anyway, I can't recall the exact name of the technology and I don't see many serious treasure hunters or enthusiasts relying on it, so I thought I'd ask better experts than myself and see if anyone a) knows anything about the sort of equipment I'm describing and b) knows if it's pseudoscience or con perpetrated by the maker to get us to buy it.

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« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2017, 10:34:14 am »
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   The method you describe sounds like they are injecting a known signal into the earth and using some form of hand held device to trace or follow the signal.  There are a number of Systems on the market like that.  Pipe Locators use this system.  Some believe the injected signal will be concentrated or more detectable around berried metallic objects and Yes it can but the differences between the earth carrying the signal and any other object is minuscule.  Again one would have have the advantage using a Proper Metal detector.  

Laugh if you want but people are making some serious money selling Pseudo Treasure locators all the time.  Carl Morland has offered a $25,000 reward if anyone can prove in fact they work.  As of this time I think his offer is still on the table un claimed.  

He has Dissected many  .   Some are nothing more then Scrap Box Parts assembled into nonsense circuits to no means.  Some are using  made up Theories with Zero Scientific Basis.  Some actually do detect   EMF  (Electo Motive Forces) or Fields but would have little to no chance of telling you if you were standing on a ton of gold.  Detectors like in this Video have been sold for Hundreds of Dollars to the Gullible.

 

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« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2017, 11:22:01 am »
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Thanks for the quick response, Homefire. Your answer is most-helpful. My father and I are debating between buying a two-box Whites detector or a Makro Jeotech model. Either way, we're looking at close to a $1000 investment. We don't want to risk turning loose of that much money if the 90's EMF detection was right and the area we're intending to survey is empty. 

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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2017, 11:48:41 am »
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   Better a Detector.  Two Box are of no use for most detector uses.    Not much use for anything under cannon ball or larger size targets.  Resale opportunities are limited.  Tell us more about your suspected Target.  A decent PI detector may serve your purposes and more. 

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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2017, 12:44:52 pm »
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We have strong reason to believe that there is a cache of gold coins sealed in ceramic jars (2 or more targets) and originally buried a meter or so deep. We have a reasonable idea of the area. We even created a test target--not with gold but with different modern coins--as replicated the process of sealing and burying that was passed down to us. The Garrett we bought--the one with the depth multiplier attachment--can't find the test target. So, we were on the fence about either buying the White's or a Jeotech. I have seen some videos of both on YouTube, but sometimes you wonder if these videos aren't more of a sales pitch than a review.

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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2017, 01:33:51 pm »
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The TM808 Whites is pretty much the same as the Garrett in performance.   I my self have never touched the Jeotech and something nags saying Don't bother.  I don't believe half of the claims on there site.  A VLF machine simply can not do some of the stuff they claim.  Meaningless Bells and Whistles.  

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I'm thinking Whites TDI would be my Tool.  A large coil would do the job.   Hell I could chase Nuggets with it too.  

Yep, that's my story and I sticking with it.  

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We live in the Kentucky and the soil is filled clay and a lot of mineralization from years of trash rusting away beneath the surface. The coins are in crockery jars, sealed cotton, wood, bees wax and then the original lids fastened on. Would a regular coil-based detector penetrate such a dense layer of insulation and interference? We've used an old, old Gardiner model and the Garret with a regular search coil with no success--can't even find the test target.

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But I'm like you... The things they boast about that Jeotech unit just seem too good to be true. And usually, if it's too good to be true, there's always a catch.

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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2017, 02:21:31 pm »
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  Guess you've never used a PI detector ?  They handle Mineral Ground way different then a VLF.  Yes they are hot on Iron but nothing VLF can approach the depth of a PI on hot ground.     Your Test target Idea is flawed.  Gold would not be detected as well as modern coins by ether machine.  Use lead  or Nickels as the target it is as close as anything you can get with Both machines to simulate Gold in conductivity.

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Lead or nickels... that's good to know! I'll admittedly ignorant on the differences in detectors so I'll have to research the difference in a VLF and PI detector.

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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2017, 03:26:25 pm »
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