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« on: April 26, 2014, 05:27:28 am »
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Hi,

I've recently resurrected my Sandbanks build which had progressed as far as etching a new circuit board and collecting all the parts together (again . . . ) I've decided to do away with the CMOS ring oscillator and Toko coil power supply section (even though I still have an unused coil - quite a rare beast) and use a second battery as documented in these pages.

I started by loading the pulse generator section; IC1, C1,2 and 3 and R1 and R2 and then tested it as directed by connecting the battery (no switch at this stage)

Straight away I hit a problem in that while the output on Pin 3 should have been around 90 mV (since I was using a 9V PP3 battery and Pin 3 should have been 10% of battery voltage) I was seeing 147mV . . . I re-checked that all the components were correct and in the right place, no shorts between tracks etc and all seemed correct. I don't have an oscilloscope (at least one that works) so I connected a speaker to Pin 3 and sure enough it was oscillating. Since the IC is in a socket I changed it for a different one, which gave me 137mV instead . . .

OK, my question is - WHY? The components I installed only affect the timing of the pulses and nothing I can do will affect the amplitude (as far as I know the amplitude of a 555 is designed to be [supply voltage - ~1.7V]) Since the output isn't a sine wave my voltmeter wouldn't have read an RMS value if I set it to read AC instead of DC so it *shouldn't* have been that I was trying to read the wrong range. Could it be that back in 1979 more people were using moving coil meters which would average the pulses into a lower DC reading than my DMM displays and my circuit is all normal?

I'm guessing that if I put 50% higher voltage into the next stage it might just fry the BC214 transistor, and even if it doesn't the output from that might fry the TIP31A.

What to do?



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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2014, 04:45:53 am »
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2014, 06:58:37 am »
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Do you have the Documents?

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Thanks for the link - I do already have the docs, both from this site and the original 1979 article in Practical Wireless. Just can't work out why the output from the 555 is higher than the article requires.

As stated, I've only loaded the components which set the 555's frequency (apart from C1, the battery decoupling capacitor). The fact that the IC is oscillating at *somewhere near* the correct frequency suggests that I've got all those components in correctly (it sounds similar to mains hum - 50Hz here in the UK)



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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2014, 09:18:23 am »
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As the Article says, build it by stages.  Move to the next stage and see if it corrects.   Back in the 80's I bought two kits and did build one that worked good for what it was.  I was in the UK at said time.  I sold one kit and never heard from the guy again,.Huh?Huh?   I have all the Parts here for another but the Surf Pi Is a better less part count machine that can do the same or better.

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Think I'll try one more 555 - I keep quite a few to hand as they're so versatile! Then if the O/P is still high I'll try the next stage and hope it doesn't release the 'mysterious blue smoke . . . '

I was planning on building a Surf but having emailed Silverdog, Andy recommended the Baracuda instead. I'm waiting with bated breath for the kit to arrive . . .  Wink

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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2014, 10:03:43 am »
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His kits Kick Butt for the Price.   I could not find the parts never mind make a board for the Cost.   Yep.  Good Deal.

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I was kind of hoping that the kit would come with instructions as per the Sandbanks, but apparently not. There is plenty of info on the build online of course, but I would prefer a methodical approach as in the Sandbanks build. Then if a problem arises, it's easier to know where you went wrong.
 
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Most of his kits are developed around the Geotech Forum .  Just do the same as the sandbanks and build in sections.  One at a time.   That way you have each section working and if things go wonky you only have so much to deal with. 

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Okay, I've just tried a couple of other 555s with much the same result - the highest so far is 165mV and the lowest is 137mV. One of the ICs must have been U/S cos I could SMELL the heat off it - it's in the bin now . . .

So I'll use the IC which gave the lowest reading and add the next stage - but I'll do it tomorrow because have other stuff to do right now. Tomorrow I'll also see if I can find my old Radio Shack analogue meter to see if the voltage looks any different (if it even still works . . . )

I've been scouring the Geotech forum and most people just seem to populate the board, switch on and say how pleasantly surprised they are when it works.

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