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« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2016, 07:10:55 pm »
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Wow thank you for the replies there homefire and Ridge Runner.  Smiley
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What model ?   What Wire ?   If you tap the Tx er your going to throw it off freq.  You would be better off building  a Purpose built Transmitter and Receiver

Fisher ME Explorer, the TX coil is the aluminum trim of the fiberglass box.  Newer models have the TX antenna inside the box. Would not modify if this was a higher end detector.  The two box detector no longer has the factory pole so have to make one.
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What you really need is a MAG, Or a Drilling Rig

A MAG would be nice but this prospecting needs to be self supporting.   Any ideas on where and how much to rent?
A small battery drill is a start with a Hydraulic drill in the works if this is self supporting.

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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2016, 10:23:58 pm »
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Anyone use one transmitter contacting one end of the 'target' and two or more receivers to help see the shape or other end of the same target?

Will soon be able to try some of this with two set ups of two Fisher two box detectors.  The direct contact of the transmitter signal to the intended target may show the most promise as the "Narrow and Wide scan" appears to go 'beep' on anything of size mineral or metal. 
This of course is untested any way you look at it  hoping someone has some experience with a two box detector out there.

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« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2016, 10:41:19 pm »
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Anyone use one transmitter contacting one end of the 'target' and two or more receivers to help see the shape or other end of the same target?

Will soon be able to try some of this with two set ups of two Fisher two box detectors.  The direct contact of the transmitter signal to the intended target may show the most promise as the "Narrow and Wide scan" appears to go 'beep' on anything of size mineral or metal. 
This of course is untested any way you look at it  hoping someone has some experience with a two box detector out there.


The thing your talking about only works on  Pipes,

It Will Not Work on Iron minerals, They only work on SOLID Metal Objects,

To me I think you are looking for something that will ID a Gold Vein and that Iron is not what you are looking for, I think you are holding back the truth about what you are looking for,

I am Telling you for the Last Time, A Two Box Locater Will NOT Find Iron ORE.



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« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2016, 10:58:09 pm »
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The thing your talking about only works on  Pipes,
It Will Not Work on Iron minerals, They only work on SOLID Metal Objects,
To me I think you are looking for something that will ID a Gold Vein and that Iron is not what you are looking for, I think you are holding back the truth about what you are looking for,
I am Telling you for the Last Time, A Two Box Locater Will NOT Find Iron ORE.


Thank you for your viewpoints Ridge Runner.  Just simply looking for peoples experiences.  Best to use a 'Gold machine' when trying to locate gold it self.



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« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2016, 11:50:40 pm »
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Thank you for your viewpoints Ridge Runner.  Just simply looking for peoples experiences.  Best to use a 'Gold machine' when trying to locate gold it self.


You need to look at what mining companies use to find Ore, They use Drillings Rigs and spend Thousands of Dollars taking Core Samples,

So what does that tell a person ? well for a start deep Iron Ore deposits can't be detected, Why ? Because Iron Ore is a ROCK ( Mineral ) not a Metal,

The machines I have mentioned will give you a Good Idea what is happening at the surface to a few feet Down, But the Last thing you need is a Two Box Locator, It Will Not help in the slightest to locate Ore unless you are looking for Large Gold deposits and they are pretty useless in Gold Country because they can Not deal with the Mineralization.

You ask a question and you dismiss the Answers with a polite Note because you think you know better, I think this is more related to you wanting to own a 2 box machine. If you want one Buy One, I know so many folks who have bought them and they just sit gathering dust I a closet somewhere, One Guy bought one 10 years ago and has never used it since,

If you want to find Ore then you need one of the machines I have listed, That is not my Opinion that Is a Fact,  Based on what those machines where designed to Do.

The BS in the sales brochures make 2 box machines sound wonderful, When in fact they are problematic in most situations, where as the machines I have listed can pin point such Ore within inches or less,

I have machines and Coils that can reach Huge Depths, I even found the Subway Tunnel 6 or 8 feet deep without any effort what so ever,

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« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2016, 12:06:14 pm »
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Ridge Runner is giving the best answer by telling people to drill and core drill as this is the best way to tell what is there.
 
Still this one has asked if anyone has tried a few methods with a two box detector and what kind of results happen good or bad.  Most two box detectors where intended for a "Non mineralized groomed ground" such as streets to be used to locate steel / iron pipes / plastic pipe with metal tape inside with no ability to "Track out or ground balance out minerals" such as most modern machines.

Yes two box machines are problematic to use and are not the first machines to use as a general rule. 
Do two box machines have any use at all in prospecting or should one always test drill every time?



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Maybe the question to ask is how far can a signal travel in iron ore dry vs. wet soil conditions?  Are we talking about inches or quite a few feet dry vs. wet? 
Any ideas?

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« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2016, 02:22:50 pm »
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The standard pole for most two box detectors appears to be 4 to 4.6 Ft. What other pole lengths are used?  The military had two box units up to 40 Ft. or so with a lot more power used anyone read about these units? 
Any links to look up on the net?  Is there a link on the internet about Fishers older large underwater metal detectors?


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« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2016, 02:29:24 pm »
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GooGle is your Friend.  Type in just what you posted and see what happens.

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Yep time to do some homework however still had to ask just in case someone has a old catalog or info. Thanks homefire.  Wink
Going to try some different copper wire setups off the Fisher TX box with powdered iron ore down the road as well, wet vs. dry should make a big difference as well.
There may be some charts online as well that talk about different minerals conducting a given signal or maybe eddy currents don't know to much about this yet but someone out there does.

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The beginning of one’s homework, RADIO WAVE PROPAGATION 101
The following may not be everyone cup of tea however lays out some foundation for one to follow along with “Direction of propagation for both Induction field and Radiation field” of radio waves:

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