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	Strange mini cones? « on: October 26, 2013, 12:48:26 pm »

For a couple of years now, I have been beach combing and metal detecting an old WWII air-to-ground firing range in North East Wales, UK.

I have recovered some 60 kg of 0.303 / 0.30 projectiles, 5 kg of copper shrapnel, 2 kg of lead ex copper projectiles, one 0.45 projectile, plus loads of scrap, and also plenty of old and modern UK coins; but whilst doing so, I have also found several very small cone shaped pieces of lead like material.

Here is a photograph of three of the little conical objects and I am wondering if anyone can id them for me?

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	Re: Strange mini cones? « Reply #1 on: October 26, 2013, 05:37:30 pm »

They look like fishing weights but normally there is a hole down the middle of them.

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	Re: Strange mini cones? « Reply #2 on: October 27, 2013, 03:22:34 am »

There is no hole, and there is no split in them. I was wondering if they are perhaps some integral part of a bullet?

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	Re: Strange mini cones? « Reply #3 on: October 27, 2013, 07:47:47 am »

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There is no hole, and there is no split in them. I was wondering if they are perhaps some integral part of a bullet?

Not likely. A bullet would have a shoulder where it squeezes into the brass case. This is a cast fishing weight (lead poured into a mold) that the fisherman who cast it forgot to add a twisted brass wire to it. Or, he forgot to add the Teflon inner track. Either way, it's a defective fishing weight.

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	Re: Strange mini cones? « Reply #4 on: October 27, 2013, 09:20:44 am »

Here is a better pic that gives a more accurate sense of scale. The coin is a British 5p decimal piece. I agree that the items are similar in size to small lead fishing weights, but as you can see none has a hole or split in it; as do split shot weights used for weighing light fishing line.

Each item was found in different areas of the beach, well separated by distance. I am not saying that they are not fishing weight, but I am not yet convinced.

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	Re: Strange mini cones? « Reply #5 on: October 27, 2013, 11:01:07 am »

OK. Fine. Do you really feel the need to tell me? I told you what they were. You asked, I answered. You can believe whatever you like. It won't change the outcome.

When I talked about hand casting the weights, did you have any idea about what I was discussing or did you just glance over it? When hand casting a bullet weight you either put a twist of brass wire in the weight or lay a piece of Teflon in the track to make a hole through it from the tip the the flat or conical base. This kind of weight doesn't clip onto the line. The line goes through the center of it and a rubber worm is hooked onto a hook. See the attached image for details. Then tell me again what you think they are.

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	Re: Strange mini cones? « Reply #6 on: October 27, 2013, 12:44:31 pm »

They remind me of the weights on Caste nets too. I think you nailed it GD.

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	Re: Strange mini cones? « Reply #7 on: October 27, 2013, 12:53:13 pm »

Hi Gold Digger,
many thanks for having taken the time and trouble to educate me and also post the illustration that assisted me in understanding the principals of what you were informing me of. I was familiar with split shot weights and also the ball type ledger weight that have the hole through them, but had never seen the bullet weights that you have illustrated.

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	Re: Strange mini cones? « Reply #8 on: October 27, 2013, 02:05:37 pm »

Bass fisherman use them to keep the head of a rubber worm weighted. I let them sink to the bottom, then twitch them to make the worm look as if it is bouncing head first along the bottom. I caught my one and only "over 10 pounds" bass that way. I hope that guy is still out there. I am a catch and relase fisherman.

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	Re: Strange mini cones? « Reply #9 on: October 28, 2013, 05:14:53 am »

Hi GD

I hope he is to! I aint done any fishing in years; started off as a catch and release angler and then converted to catch and eat. All my sea fishing gear is just sat in our caravan ( oops trailer ) gathering dust. I hear tell that there is a nasty Asian fish that has found it's way into American waters? I have also heard that that nasty fish can even escape and move across dry land. Or is the whole thing an "urban myth" ?

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