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« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2009, 06:59:55 pm »
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Mike,
Yes I do detect. Yes I do find "stuff" mostly nails and the other junk but occasionally a coin or two. I relayed a story in one post here about losing my class ring when I was only 18 (been a loooong time ago) and securing the help of a family friend with a metal detector (don't remember what brand). We successfully recovered the ring and I've been hooked on mding ever since although not always as active as I would like. After that incident with the class ring, my grandfather bought a metal detector and I would go with him to old home sites hoping to find some old coins or anything of value Smiley. When I was 20 I bought my first detector and I don't remember the brand name or model but it was a Walmart special and it worked. Right now I am using a Garrett Master Hunter CX with some success. I would be glad to post some pics but I didn't want do that until I got more familiar with the people on the forum. Most of the junk I'm finding here is rather boring. I will show you in today's finds

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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2009, 11:16:08 pm »
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If I remember correctly, I could not find the bit in the book, its 680 pages, I think Hammott said there had been a lot of landslides in the area and if the entrance had been blocked with stones and then covered with earth, the undergrowth would soon hide all evidence it was there. I am sure he has searched for it without success. I think he also said there may be no entrance nearby as it might be part of a larger tunnel system. And yes I think it may have been the priest who blocked it off if this is the tomb he went in.

I had my suspicions that the story may be made up, but after reading Hammott's book, I don't think so. He points out  certain things that he is not sure of, something he would not do if it was all a sham. And he seems to have had everything checked out by experts as well, something I don't think he would have done if it was fiction. If genuine it is a very interesting find.
Who knows what documents may be in the chests, perhaps some missing Templar archives or something. The Templars seemed to have had a strong presence in the area.



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Adding fuel to the fire might be putting it mildly!

So you had doubts, good. I have one, after viewing the site.... the cloth of the shroud, if that is what it is, looks almost new and has a sheen to it.... why? Was it put there by the priest, thus fairly new?

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golddigger, the priest, Sauniere died in 1893. Therefore the sheen could be a trick of the camera. Recent? I think not!

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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2009, 12:41:08 am »
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golddigger, the priest, Sauniere died in 1893. Therefore the sheen could be a trick of the camera. Recent? I think not!


Cameras do not have tricks, do they?

Yes, I figure it had been quite a while, I could not remember as its been a long time since I read or even saw anything on TV, besides, my memory is like Swiss cheese. (At least its not like Roquefort cheese!)

It still looks too neat and newish.

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« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2009, 03:01:41 am »
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Hi Golddigger,

you asked - the cloth of the shroud, if that is what it is, looks almost new and has a sheen to it.... why? Was it put there by the priest, thus fairly new?

One of the clues Hammott found mentioned that when the priest, Sauniere, entered the tomb "the shroud was all in tatters", so if this is the same tomb the priest entered then he must have replaced it with a new piece of cloth or something. But this would have been about 100 years ago. In his book Hammott says the cloth may have been treated with something to help preserve it. Looking at the images from the 3rd filming of the tomb, it does look very dry in there.

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The priest Sauniere died in 1917.

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Hi Golddigger,

you asked - the cloth of the shroud, if that is what it is, looks almost new and has a sheen to it.... why? Was it put there by the priest, thus fairly new?

One of the clues Hammott found mentioned that when the priest, Sauniere, entered the tomb "the shroud was all in tatters", so if this is the same tomb the priest entered then he must have replaced it with a new piece of cloth or something. But this would have been about 100 years ago. In his book Hammott says the cloth may have been treated with something to help preserve it. Looking at the images from the 3rd filming of the tomb, it does look very dry in there.

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The priest Sauniere died in 1917.

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OK,it is not impossible for stuff to survive well, from that era, to now... we have a family photo album from the 1870's that is in good condition despite much handling. So there is no reason to believe a 'shroud,' especially silk, could do other than look almost new, in the right conditions.

The site is very interesting, I saw different stuff, today, so I will go back and have a thorough look.

Those definitely look like gold goblets, in the tomb, wheras the goblets, displayed elsewhere, look a lot like brass!

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Goldigger, if it were a silk robe it would most likely have suffered from vermin attacks. A lot of vestments from that era were made of real gold threads. Heavy as all get out but always shiny.

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No! Not straight metal, a fiber thread, cellulose or wool, is always involved, and the more ancient metal-use was never straight metal, always metal on fabric, embroidered on.. Straight metal fabrics are extremely rare, and who, then, could afford it, and why?

As for vermin, they would have consumed any cotton, as well, however, I was speaking from the point of view of ROT, not vermin, of which there might be none.

Any cotton fabric would  suffer bacterially, but the same bacteria would not affect silk, as it is a protein, not cellulose. More? The bacteria could not be excluded but the vermin might be excluded.

If  the fabric was replaced/emplaced, in the late 1800's, that would only be about 110 years, at the most. It is conceivable either cotton (mercerized) or silk, could have survived, especially treated with formaldehyde.

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I found a trunk with Civil War uniforms from both sides in it. That was back in 1977. The stuff was in a trunk in perfect condition. Just like new. There were silk dresses in the same trunk that were eaten by vermin through and through. Don't forget, silk is an insect organic material while cotton is, as you say, mostly cellulose. The silk crumbled as we picked it up. The satin-like backing remained intact.

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I found a trunk with Civil War uniforms from both sides in it. That was back in 1977. The stuff was in a trunk in perfect condition. Just like new. There were silk dresses in the same trunk that were eaten by vermin through and through. Don't forget, silk is an insect organic material while cotton is, as you say, mostly cellulose. The silk crumbled as we picked it up. The satin-like backing remained intact.


Then again, there have been tombs excavated, on the Steppes of Russia, that had intact silk, or mostly intact... you just never know. Most tombs also had permafrost, which could  account for the preservation, yet, in one, the flesh, of the interee, was quite decomposed, as were several horses, sacrificed, over the tomb but still frozen.

Any gold, in the tomb, was pretty well flattened, if foil, as it (mostly) was on the horses, unprotected by the log tomb.

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