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« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2011, 02:11:29 pm »
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From The Suma Oriental of Tome Pires, 1512-1515 (2 Volume Set) by Tome Pires (author) and Armando Cortesao (editor) (Oct 1, 1990)


Page 146       Tome Pires

A Moorish knight. He often goes to sea to pillage. He is the son in law to the king of Aru. He brought in (?) the ship Flor de la Mar which was wrecked in a storm off the coast of his counter, and they say he recovered everything water could not spoil, wherefore they say he is very rich. From what they say this Tomjano is rather wealthy. This Tamjano is often at war in the hinterland. Sometimes he fights with his father in law, sometimes with Pase, and he helps whichever he sees to be the stronger, and he receives(something) from them all. They say the kings of Bata (batar) have always had this habit. (end of 1st para)

(He could not have brought the Flor in, it had sunk. What he could have brought in would be the 4th ship in the expeditation, the Junk. When the Javanese saw the Flor in trouble, they killed many of the Portuguese on board and sailed to Aru. It was estimates that the lost was between 50,000 to 80,000 ducats.   
Armando Cortes?o in his footnotes on the same page has indicated where the Flor sank although he got the date wrong. See below - suparmar   )


After the conquest of Malacca, Albuquerque sailed back to India, with a small fleet of four ships, on 1 Dec, on board the Frol de la Mar (Flower of the Sea). When the ships were sailing along the north-east coast of Pase they were caught in a fierce storm and the Frol de la Mar, an old ship, was wrecked on some shoals, with great loss of life and all the treasures brought from Malacca. Albuquerque himself escaped with utmost difficulty. The chronicles do not quite agree upon the place where the Frol de la Mar was wrecked, but Albuquerque himself says in his letter of 20th Aug. 1512, written from Cochin to the King of Portugal, that Frol de la Mar was wrecked near Pase. Cartas, 1,67


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« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2011, 10:18:11 am »
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By reading this statement; "He brought in (?) the ship Flor de la Mar which was wrecked in a storm off the coast of his counter, and they say he recovered everything water could not spoil, wherefore they say he is very rich."

It's very obvious that what he is saying is; "His divers SALVAGED/RECOVERED everything that water could not spoil (ie: gold, silver, etc.) from the WRECK site of the Flor de la Mar.. and with all those spoils, he became very rich."

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Quote:Posted by TonyWells
"His divers SALVAGED/RECOVERED everything that water could not spoil (ie: gold, silver, etc.) from the WRECK site of the Flor de la Mar.. and with all those spoils, he became very rich."



Thats interesting Tony thanks for the incite.

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