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Hay Rebel,

I had a Cibola before I got my Vaquero.

In most ground the Cibola did just as well
as tha Vaquero.

If you have mild ground, tha Cibola works
as well as a V.

But, the Cibola only has a pin point button
for the all metal mode.

The Vaquero can be switched to the all metal
mode with tha disc knob.

So, do you know how the soil in yur area is?

I like the Cibola just as well, except for those
two things,

Tabdog

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	Mute point now. I had to go out of town to our granddaughters for a bar-b-que and got outbid by $14 while i was gone so i didn't get it. But have another lined up and possibly a Conquistador or a Tesoro Cutlass II. Anybody know anything about those models?

Hello rebel73153 . The now discontinued Conquistador is one level below the Eldorado and it listed new for $399. [us dollars] . If you can get it for $100 or so ,  buy it !!! It finds large coins to 10 inches in the discriminate mode but does not have the manual ground balance like the Eldorado . The discontinued Cutlass II is a beginner machine equivalent to the Tesoro Compadre . The Eldorado would also be great if you can find one . Before I forget , some Bounty Hunters had problems on salty sand and water due to the search coil ...........Switch to Tesoro !!!!!!!
Regards.........Eugene

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Hay Reble,

The Cutless II uMax is just about identicle to tha
Silver uMax. They both have ED 120.

That is one step up from tha compadre. ED 180

The Compadre has just one knob.

The Cutless II uMax and Silver Sabre both have a
sensativity knob and a disc knob. It also has a
switch that chooses disc mode and all metal, which
is actually a motion discriminate mode without any
discrimination. They do not have a non-motion,
threashold based all metal mode.

The Conquistador has a ED 120 and is like the old
Silver Sabre uMax. But the Conquistador has frequency
shift and the SS uMax does not.

The Conquistador has a threashold based all metal
mode. The Cutless II uMax does not.

The Cibola and Vaquero are a better machine in my
opinion. They operate at 14kHz, where the others
except the Compadre operate at 10 kHz. They also
have the newer H.O.T. circuity.

The Compadre operates at 12kHz. It is kind of like
the older Tesoroes, but with a true ED 180.

I have a Silver Sabre uMax. I like it for cherry picking,
because of tha ED 120. It knocks out some small iron
with out using any discrimination.

Tha Eldorado has a true ED 180 with manual ground
balance.

The Eldorado was replaced with the Vaquero, more or
less.

Happy Huntin,

Tabdog

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Hay Reble,

Generally speaking, the higher frequencies are more
sensitive to small lower conductors like gold, lead and
aluminum. That is good for mini balls and gold Ect.

The higher frequencies tend to respond to higher
conductors like silver and copper.

That is why a lot of mid range machines are lower
frequency.

Lots of folks like to find coins.

But, in my opinion, 10kHz is as low as I want to go.
Lower than that and I have trouble detectin small gold.
Small gold makes up the bulk of my gold finds. I get
94% of the spot price on gold. That is $$$$$

Some more expensive machines have multiple
frequencies. Minlab makes some that the frequency
changes with different coils. You can choose the
frequency, or in other Minlabs you can operate with
multiple frequencies. Whites also offers some
multi frequency machines.

All the machines we have been talking about have
single tone. That is my favorite.

It took a long time to learn tone. It takes practice.

The Golden uMax is a 10kHz machine with 4 tones
and a notch feature. It runs $425. Tesoro says that
it has an ED120, but most users strongly disagree
with that.

A lot of folks swear by it.

The Deleon and Cortes add a TID. I have not used
the Deleon and Cortes. But they are reported to be
good Tesoro machines, but tha displays are a little
lacking in user functionality.

A guy named Monte describes the ED rating given
by Tesoro. He said on a forum that I could quote him.
He is much more knowledgeable about detectin than
I.

Why is the ED-180 better than the ED-120 disc.?

"R-n-R", The Toltec II and Golden Sabre II use the ED-120 discriminate circuit. The Bandido II MM, Silver Sabre MM, SHADOWx2, and basically most of the last generation of Tesoros (Pantera, Silver Sabre II, Sidewinder & Sidewinder MM, Bandido, Bandido II and Bandido MM, etc.) have employed the discriminate circuit referred to as the ED-120.

The Amigo II and a few other models utilize what is referred to as the ED-180.

In simple terms, the "120" or "180" descriptions are in reference to the degree of coverage of the discriminate range. Earlier models, such as the Inca, Eldorado, Toltec-100 and such had what could be described as "D-90", or an acceptance range of about 90 degrees. This allowed the detector to accept targets from silver dollars and such on down to lessor conductive targets in a low-foil category. Certainly the minimum rejection level was well above nail rejection.
 
Users of these earlier silent-search models were able to "comfortably" search many sites without hearing a lot of trash target signals. Unfortunately, in the very worst conditions, such as nail-strewn town sites or some renovation sites, there was too much rejection even at the minimum setting. Thus masking would occur more easily. Additionally, in the worst ground mineral conditions the discriminate circuit didn't work as well at dealing with the ground mineral signal and passing along the desirable target signals.

With the advent of the ED-120 discrimination circuit, Tesoro made a major advancement in functional discriminate range as the "Expanded Discriminate" (thus ED) range went **lower** in the acceptable range and this allowed models designed with that circuitry to just barely kick out most nails at the "minimum" setting and this gave them better "see through" (a bad term, but well used) in the really trashy sites, especially those with nails and other small iron junk.

The ED-120 circuitry is by far some of the best for the average hunter, and even the advanced detectorist, depending upon what their intended application is.

ED-180 simply refers to a discriminate circuit which has an Expanded range even LOWER than the ED-120, not higher. The LOWER range of adjustment gets the unit down into the ALL METAL acceptance range. Many of the competitors models allow such a low-end of adjustment, such as the White's XLT, 5900/6000's, Classic series, Garrett GTA's and Scorpions, and most certainly the Fisher "X" and CZ series.

For a serious relic hunter or a very serious detectorist who wants to have the added performance of an All Metal motion discriminate mode of operation, these are good units. For relic hunting and other searches where ALL targets are desired, then a broad-range, with a lower-end acceptance (ED-180) discriminate circuit is desirable.

However, most hobbyists are NOT interested in locating all metal targets in an area. Most are recreationalists, serious or casual, who are not that interested in having a primary search mode that will accept all metal targets, preferring to reject annoying nails and some other small, low-conductive targets. Thus, the ED-120 is the most used discriminate circuit concept that is employed by the Tesoro folks. It works well.

In some really bad ground the ED-180 will give you some much improved performance, but in "typical" ground and detecting situations the famous ED-120 should do.

Now, I hope this rambling wasn't too confusing. As for which is the "Better" of the two, I would have to say that I would be content with the ED-120 under most conditions. I do, however, employ the option of going to a lower range (ED-180) when I get into some very mineralized areas where there are NOT a lot of detectable targets and I prefer to get the best depth/performance.

Hope that helps,

Tabdog





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