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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2010, 04:31:23 am »
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Hi,
I'm wondering if it might be a "Book Clasp" ..... looks around the right kind of size.
Or might be (as the back is flat) an article of "Horse Furniture".
Have you tried the local museum for an I.D?


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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2010, 05:08:37 am »
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Hi Paul A,
Yes, I have, I send images to St. Albans museum, but not very helpful there.
I posted it to the Uk detector net, but no results so far.
By the way, the back is not flat as you see it, something snapped of from there and has a round hole, possible there was a pin or something else attached to it.
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2010, 05:23:43 am »
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Hi,
I live about 8 miles from St Albans (my home town in fact).
Not terribly impressed with the museum service there.
Have you thought of sending pics to the British Museum?
You can access them by email, they are usually pretty good.
Looking again it does seem as if it was attached to something, I'm leaning towards anglo saxon "Horse" decoration of some sort, especially given the design.


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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2010, 03:54:51 pm »
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Hi Paul A,
Looks like I have to send pictures to the british museum.
I had comments about the artifact, that it might be Anglo Scandinavian given the design.
ST. Albans said that it is modern 18th. most likely furniture fitting. If this would be furniture fitting 18th century, the cast would be equal and tidy, which is not, also it should have pins or holes to fasten it to the furniture. My personal theory is, given the fact that I have found that lovely saxon mount about 30 feet away, someone else has found a saxon saucer brooch nearby, I think it is a saxon brooch "looking at the back of the object, the hole could be were the pin attachment was and the brocken of bit could have been the catch plate", "not to be worn", part of an Anglo Saxon or Scandinavian grave. Looking at some pictures of grave goods, some are really chunky, but never to be worn.
Well, that's my theory.
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« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2010, 01:51:53 am »
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Hi!
Yes, I absolutely agree with you.
The design of that looks to me to be 100% anglo saxon.... right down to the inter-twining "serpent" design running around the edge.
May have once been attached to some article of leather (that's why I was thinking "horse furniture").
Some of the recent "Staffordshire hoard" pieces have similar design features.
Considering that you found it in close proximity to a saxon mount it's most likely to be something of that period.
I can't see it being jewellery of a later period or a "furniture" fixing....... (unless they had a copy of the "anglo saxon chronicles" open at the time they made it! )


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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2010, 03:01:04 am »
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Hi Paul A,
Thanks for your thoughts, we are possibly right in our theory, but to prove it is another matter, maybe the only one made of it's kind.
Have you got a link to some pictures of the staffordshire hoard?
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Here is an extract of a web page about the history of Anglo Saxon culture and symbols.

"Boar" Probably the most revered animal of the heathen 'Germanic' peoples, indeed the 'bringing in of the Yule Boar' on twelfth night in honour of Frea is a long lasting custom of that season (a boar's head is still paraded every 17th December at Queen's College Oxford). The placing of an apple within it's mouth (how many times have you seen that in films etc?), is meant to represent the sun, linking this animal with the God 'Sky Father'. The poem 'Beowulf' tells us of warriors wearing boar crested helmets, & this is supported by plenty of archaeological evidence. The image of the boar can be found on other objects such as claps, shields etc. The boar was a symbol of war & battle as well as kingship, worn as protection, even today it is held in high regard.

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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2010, 03:23:49 am »
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Hi,
I'm definately going with "horse furniture".
Reckon it's a "Stirrup" mount.
It's bang on size - wise.
Put a search into google or yahoo images "anglo saxon stirrup mount".

See what I mean about size?

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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2010, 04:18:08 am »
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good thinking paul a,
Size is good, I know someone who is a specialist in stirrup mounts.
I will email him.
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It weighs 65grams, my object only weighs 17grams, so it can't be too bulky to be a brooch.

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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2010, 04:15:50 pm »
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Hi Paul A,, he is saying
Had an email back from my stirrup mount specialist, he is 99% sure it's not a stirrup mount.
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